Should I start a relationship? (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2013-12-15 06:02:36 by DarksteelLotus

I guess this is the best place to post this, so here it goes:

As I've posted before, I really want to be a wolf. For a long time now I've wanted nothing more than that. Related to this (or perhaps because of it), I've always found myself rather attracted to wolves and wolflike dogs. Additionally, I've never been attracted to other humans.

I've been rather depressed lately from knowing that I will likely never be a wolf (barring some unprecedented technological advance). It's been hard on me, and I've had a lot of trouble finding someone I can talk with about this. However, recently I've been thinking about something I could do that might help. I've begun to seriously consider starting a relationship, both romantic and sexual, with a wolfish dog. This is the first time I've ever considered embracing and acting upon my zoophilia rather than simply living with it.

I know that this isn't a lightly made decision. This would be a semi-permanent thing for me, and I would be willing to do the research and commit to it fully. I absolutely care about the welfare of animals. I wouldn't even consider this until I have a decent house with a yard and a stable job (I'm currently pursuing a degree in college).

I just want to know what everyone here thinks. I've never had any sort of relationship with an animal (or a human, for that matter) before. I've only just started seriously considering this, so I know I've got a lot of work ahead of me. However, the thought of actually having an achievable goal I can commit to has made me feel a lot better about myself, even if it's not quite my number one goal.

If anyone is curious, my original post can be found here

DerErzbaronGomez 1 point on 2013-12-15 14:18:03

Start a relationship with a wolfish dog but first make sure to understand the language of dogs.

Be careful with the law. In case of prohibition do not act too obviously and you will have a nice time.

Good luck.

iFuckDogsAMA 13 points on 2013-12-15 18:58:58

Never be a wolf...

Not with that attitude!

foxyramirez 3 points on 2013-12-15 20:38:26

Give it 20 years. Android bodies will likely be available for purchase, and this, you'll be able to slap your brain into a wolf android frame. Save up now though, they'll be expensive.

thousandcows 8 points on 2013-12-15 23:22:33

Hi there, first of all I'm very much in favor of sexual zoophilic relationships, and I've been a relationship columnist for many years and I'm been involved in the furry fandom for a number of years, so I've seen a lot of different angles on people in your situation. (You're not alone, trust me!)

And forming a loving relationship with an animal can be very healing for the heart and mind, and I actually think it should be a prescribed course of self-improvement.

But I really need to make a few points that I hope you take into serious consideration before moving forward.

  1. If you are not already doing so, I strongly recommend that you seek help for depression and related health issues. There are a lot of very good people out there who have the knowledge and experience to diagnose and prescribe treatments for conditions where someone feels unhappy in their own body and life. If you are getting treatment, and it's not helping I suggest you change your doctor and/or talk with them about trying something different. Life is too short to be unhappy and depression is a treatable disease!

  2. In all my years, I've always advocated that someone work on finding the root of their unhappiness before deciding that they should "treat" themselves by entering a relationship. And it applies here as well. Having a relationship with a person or animal can feel very nice but over time it can also worsen or deepen issues with escapism and depressive thoughts because it can sometimes prevent you from addressing why you were unhappy to begin with.

  3. I've owned wolves and wolf-dogs. They're beautiful, amazing creatures, but they make terrible pets for the inexperienced! They're extremely high-maintenance, destructive, manipulative and require a great deal of experience with both domestic and wild animals. All the book-research in the world won't really prepare you for the level of interaction that you'll have to play as an "alpha" which is what you'll have to assume to keep any semblance of order in your life. Not to mention they can chew through fences and escape easily from anything but a full enclosure with a concrete foundation and there are serious legal issues you may face for having a wolf or hybrid as well. One of the larger issues wolves face is the hybridization and amateur attempts at domestication by breeders and inexperienced owners, often times leading to the destruction of the animal. Because of all this, I would strongly recommend that you look into adopting a domestic breed that shares the same size and aesthetic attributes as wolves, anything from shepherds to malamutes to Laikas or the Northern Inuit or even the Husky. (still a handful!) But take care not to get lured into owning an actual hybrid.

  4. I feel zoophilia is actually a beautiful thing when approached with care and respect. What this means to me is that consent is always a concern, especially so for male-human/female-animal relationships. It can be hard for people to always accurately gauge what the animal wants or is simply putting up with, even for the experienced owner. Just like humans, sometimes a dog won't have interest in intimacy outside their species at all! So these are issues to be prepared for, and the best way you can approach it is without expectations and a very open mind and heart. As you raise an animal and develop a bond and trust with it, it will be much easier to understand their feelings and desires and ideally, the experience of having a canine companion will be a fully rewarding and therapeutic experience in itself, and any intimacy you may experience together in time would just be a perk to that relationship.

  5. First rule of zoophilia. Don't talk about zoophilia. There are a lot of supportive people and communities online for people who intimately love animals, but always be careful even talking in online forums that you're not exposing any possible avenue for someone to reveal any personal information about yourself. Even if you have a very happy lifestyle and really want to share it with others, you must take care and never share pictures, meet with people you don't know very well or use the same E-mail as you would for non-zoo communication. Seriously, there are people out there who are so freaked out by zoophilia and bestiality that they would take great pleasure in destroying your life just for thinking about it, and there are laws in place that make this destruction very easy to accomplish.

I hope I didn't overwhelm you with gloom & doom, but I want you to be aware of the non-romantic hard facts of life about what your decisions entail and how pragmatic we all must be.

I also fully encourage you to keep moving forward with your goals and plans. Build a strong life for yourself that you're independent and in charge of your own destiny, because this might be something "wolf like" that you can truly achieve for yourself.

DarksteelLotus 2 points on 2013-12-16 15:35:55

Thanks for the reply! You didn't overwhelm me at all, and in fact, this is exactly the sort of thing I was hoping for when I posted.

For some context: 1) I have been talking to some mental health professionals. I haven't yet been able to directly talk about my feelings to them, but I haven't been in a month or so and I've gotten a lot more confident talking about it since then. (sessions are provided free by my university, but you only get 6 per semester, any more and you have to pay). I'm thinking I'll avoid the zoophilia side and just talk about my desire to be a wolf, since that seems to be the source of my depression anyway.

2) Thanks for this. It's definitely something I should keep in mind.

3) I understand this, and have already thought about it. I've decided that although a wolf or wolf hybrid would be an amazing thing to own, it'd be much better to start with a husky or a german shepard, or some other breed of dog.

4) I definitely want to have a caring bond with an animal that involves more than just sex. I've grown up with a lot of pets, and I love the (entirely platonic, so far) bonds we've shared. I hope that I didn't come off as someone who's just "I want to screw a dog, where do I start?"

5) I've already seen enough intolerance to convince me that I should be exceedingly careful in sharing this information. My dad flipped out when my sister told him she was bisexual, and that's practically accepted. I'm definitely not sharing my secret lightly. Thanks for the tips!

Overall, I'm happy that I've finally found something I can commit to that I really think will help me be happy. Until now, I've just sort of felt like I was drifting through life with no real achievable goals.

thousandcows 1 point on 2013-12-16 22:37:11

I think you have a good solid, direction and seem to be thinking intelligently, so I imagine you're going to feel a lot better about life in time :) Just never define yourself and be open to a wide variety of changes in what you're interested in. You may find that once you achieve your goals, you may realize you really want human interaction as well, so don't limit yourself or feel that you've painted yourself into a corner with a lifestyle or thought process that nobody could ever accept.

There are a lot of people who feel the way you do and are totally swept away in the romantic fantasy of believing they have the spirit of another creature inside themselves, or are "real life werewolves" etc. But if I may be so bold, I tend to believe that these feelings of desiring transformation or escapism into an "animal self" stem from a deeper dissatisfaction with elements of society that can make life needlessly complicated or make one feel incapable of fitting in, when fitting in seems so very important to everyone else.

The good news that I tell people with transformation fixations (there are people who spend every free moment drawing or writing about transforming into an animal) is that we do have really have trans-formative powers. It's an often neglected aspect of our human nature that should be highlighted and praised more that we have free will to be and do whatever we want with our lives, at any passing moment. We can model parts of ourselves after those traits we admire in humans and animals alike, and customize them to be the kind of person we desire. It will feel awkward at first, and you'll feel like you're faking it, but that's what everyone does anyway, whether they realize it or not. We're all faking it. When you fake something for just a little bit, it starts to become real. We are a race of emulators, but those who are aware of what they are doing will have greater control and perspective, and unfortunately more anxiety as well.

Anyway, that's my little thesis. I don't know if any of it applies to your life, but I try to share my thoughts in hopes someone will sift a kernel of relevance from it.

Best of luck to you.

duskwuff 2 points on 2013-12-16 03:02:05

Let's be clear here. Which of these is the primary motivation you've got here:

  1. Fuck a wolf
  2. Own a wolf
  3. Become a wolf

We can give you some advice on the first one, and perhaps a little on the second (although real wolves don't make as good partners, nor pets, as dogs, I'm afraid), but we definitely can't help with the last one. Which is it?

DarksteelLotus 1 point on 2013-12-16 15:38:37

3) is my primary desire, but I'm already aware that this isn't the place to look for help for that (although I have had trouble finding any other place, for that matter)

1) is mostly what I want advice on, although I'd actually have a husky or something, since I know of the extreme difficulties in owning a wolf or wolfdog.

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DarksteelLotus 1 point on 2013-12-16 15:39:56

I'm talking about a husky or german shepard or something similar. I'd love to have a wolfdog or even a wolf, but either of those would be too much of a handful for me, I think.

Tundrovyy-Volk Canidae 2 points on 2013-12-16 09:07:04

I'd love to give you a hug right now. I largely understand the feeling of deep envy of wolves, being a canine exclusive zoosexual myself. You should understand that this is a positive thing, not a negative one or one that will bring you anything but elation and fulfilment. I'm glad that you've decided to contemplate such a relationship. Contrary to what others have said, it seems to me that finding love in a canine could be just what the doctor ordered.

I firmly believe that there is not enough love in the world, so if you find love, consider yourself lucky and treasure it eternally. You deserve happiness, and you deserve it with a species you love and reverently admire, to the point of green envy, as you have demonstrated. I deeply respect your willingness to wait for the right time, improving your circumstances to properly provide for your mate, as it is indicative that you possess the devotion required to make such a relationship truly something special.

I wish you the best on your journey of love, and it seems to me that you'll find yourself along the way. Feel free to inbox me if you'd like to talk. I also strongly recommend you join the knotty.me forum, as you'll find a number of those interested in zoophilia's romantic side, and that may help you embrace who are, or who you are destined to become.

All the very best.

GM3d6 1 point on 2013-12-24 02:07:38

First. Wanting to be a wolf is kinda weird to me. (I love being human.) I would suggest devoting yourself to wolf related causes and if you want a wolfish dog I recommend this one for you. http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/shilohshepherd.htm

If you don't hae that kinda cash then I want to recommend that you get a Irish wolfhound/Husky mix.

Cromcorrag 2 points on 2014-01-09 00:28:22

Attraction to wolf like dogs I can relate to, especially white wolves with pink skin. But stick to dogs. Wolves are too wild and will fight you to the death in a fight for who is to be the dominate one. Dogs have been with us for thousands of years and are used to being the underdog. So get a wolf-like dog but never an actual wolf or wolf cross.