FACEBOOK???? (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2014-11-10 23:28:18 by Waterteck
Just on facebook and a girl shared a video that a woman posted of her being fucked by her dog... and people are commenting on it and a whole lot that are hitting the like button!
WE'RE WINNING (sorta)
Oh, now I have some context for your comment on my post. Was the name "Alyssa Rosales" used, by any chance? Because I think that might have been a leaked CannibalCupcake video...
Yeah, if it was that video then the person who uploaded it most certainly is not the woman in the video, and the description given of "lol someone dared me to fuck my dog" is really not doing us any favours. To me, uploading animal porn without the creator's permission, with a made-up context, on a site where it's against the TOS, primarily for trolling or shock value is a long, long way from "winning."
Playing devil's advocate, though, there might be a lot of people now who realize that dogs and girls ARE able to get it on. At least a few of those might have had a seed planted...
The seed isn't for the right plant though :P
If it had been CC herself who posted it, on a site where it wasn't violating the TOS, with her own words and explanation (since she was always a pretty good advocate for zoophilia) then I could possibly see it as being positive, since at least then people would be viewing it in the correct context, but as it is, even if some people see it and think "maybe I want to have sex with a dog now" the overall outcome is FAR from positive.
What's needed is a discourse, not a peep-show. Zoophilia is about way more than the act of having sex with animals (in fact, some people would argue that the sex is entirely incidental) so presenting it to people in a way that strips away all the emotional and mental depth does nothing but further confuse the issue of bestiality vs. zoophilia. One's a fetish and the other's an orientation, and as as long as the general public continue to only see the fetish aspect, acceptance will be a long time coming.
Perhaps. It's definitely far from the ideal way to spread peace, love, and knots. No doubt about that.
These wordplays that flare up all the time...
I kind of disagree. From the way I see it as an outsider here, people will never accept the full-blown orientation part first. It's too fringe. Zoophiles will be ridiculed or stigmatized just like pedophiles or objectophiles because people are shocked by the thought, the mental imagery, the unfamiliarity.
If the imagery is slowly but steadily introduced into the mainstream as a sexual kink, some familiarization will occur and esp. video of male mammal with female human will probably help to alleviate the widespread belief that zoosexuality is inherently abusive. Adventurous, maybe spiteful, outliers will see it as incredibly dirty but ultimately ethically tenable and adopt it into their sexual lives. It has a good chance of becoming the new anal, BDSM, furry, whatever.
In my opinion this has a better chance to help acceptance than trying for reasoned discourse in the poisoned "discussion" that exists now.
I'm not completely sold. Images of bestiality have been around for centuries, but the stigma and taboo remain the same as ever and societal attitudes towards zoophilia are largely unchanged. In the case of acceptance for homosexuality, it wasn't gay porn being more visible that swayed public opinion, but rather a gradual push towards greater understanding of what it actually MEANT to be gay, rather than the propagandized, cliche images seen in 50's "educational" films warning children not to get into cars with "the homosexual" since he was invariably a child molester, or that all gay men were effeminate and somehow defective. Acceptance can only truly be gained when what people are exposed to is actually the thing in need of acceptance, rather than a distorted misrepresentation.
A possible parallel, I feel, is the general societal attitude to "shemales" as opposed to transwomen. People may be perfectly happy to see "chicks with dicks" on porn sites, but that image is almost entirely disconnected from the reality of what it is to be a transwoman. It does nothing to address the problems that transpeople face, because it turns what is a complex societal issue into a 1-dimensional sexual kink that perpetuates stereotypes and creates an unrealistic image.
I don't think I'm in stark disagreement with you except that I see the greater propagation of bestiality as not necessarily bad, but a stepping stone to the discussion that hopefully will help enable a level discussion to bring about ultimate acceptance. It did for me, anyway. I wouldn't be subscribed to this sub if I hadn't happened upon a "dog sex" picture in my teens and subsequently downloaded a guide from Usenet wherein the author introduced me to the idea of not primarily sexual zoophilia for the first time.
As with your parallel. I do think that "shemale" porn did and still does help prepare the turf for a discussion of societal issues with regards to the whole complex of transsexuality. It did for me, anyway.
This is from a pretty uninvolved viewpoint and I'm aware I may lack deeper insight into the topic. I just take a backseat and cheer when ever something even vaguely related pops up.
I think the propagation of bestiality in general may well help things move along, but I also think that the manner in which it's propagated and what actually gets propagated is very important. I've no doubt that if people saw more bestiality they'd gradually become more open to discussion on the topic as it became less taboo and shocking, but I also think that by presenting them with an entirely fabricated perspective (as is the case with the whole "Alyssa Rosales" debacle) you do more harm than good by muddying the waters and creating inaccurate and potentially harmful views on it. My main objection, really, is not showing people bestiality, but rather showing them something that isn't actually true. If you're going to increase the visibility, why not present reality rather than a distorted, fantastical version of things?
Totally unrelated side-note, but do you mind if I ask what your interest is in the subject? You say you're coming from a pretty uninvolved viewpoint, so I'm curious what drew you to the conversation. I'm just being nosy really :P
While I'm neither zoophilic nor engage in practical zoosexuality, I am furiously sympathetic to the cause. Coming from a strictly voyeuristic interest, in the course of it I've read believable, sometimes touching, accounts of zoophilic relationships and am appalled at the attempt to lump together non-abusive relationships with harm towards animal or the concept of rape.
I love and value animals as individual beings, not property, and am a strong proponent of laws against cruelty towards them but I hate to see the legality of something questioned that for some people is a natural part of their romantic and sexual identity and simply, and in my eyes very obviously, does no harm to anyone involved.
gives you a big ol' thumbs up Your support is very much appreciated :)
Her name is Shandra Rose and the video is gone now :( and it showed her face, same one as the girl in the profile picture.
Hm, that name doesn't ring a bell. Was this the video? WARNING NSFW LINK
Might just be someone using a new fake name, I guess. What was the content of the video?
Didnt even half to press play, no that isnt the video, sadly ive never seen it before I saw it on facebook. And it was a really good video too, the dog mounted her without being told to and knoted her. There were 2 others in the room as well, a man (fully clothed) you can see in the left corner of the screen at the beginning and then the camera person, no idea if male/female or clothed or not. (Probably clothed)
cool! its nice having some support from someone without a vested interest in the acceptance of zoophiles. it can feel a bit like an echo chamber at times.
Might I ask what you had in mind as to what get's propagated and how it is done? At this juncture, I have doubts that anything above small scale would be effective.
The first tactic that comes to mind is targeting those who already view bestiality porn, and, well, let's just say, undermining thier preconceptions...
And now I think I need a shower. Just thinking about political manuevering makes me feel slimy. :(
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I think mainly I'm just against stuff being put out there with misleading or incorrect information. In the "Alyssa Rosales" case, a video which had originally been uploaded to a bestiality forum by a fairly ardent though naive zoophile with the intention of both titillating and sharing a deeply passionate, genuine moment between a girl and her canine lover was uploaded to Facebook under a fake name, with the caption effectively being "someone dared me to fuck my dog so I did lol." As far as most people who saw it knew (and there were quite a few), the description on Facebook was accurate, so the actual context of the video was completely lost and overwritten with some troll's idea of a funny story. The personality of the girl in the video, her motivations, her feelings were all erased, creating a totally non-representative picture of the event and the person involved in it.
I'm not saying we should propagandize zoo porn, or make it more palatable, or use it to try to sway people to our side (whatever side that is, since half the time we can't even agree on what we should be called :P) but rather that if bestiality is to be presented, it be presented honestly, allowing the actual character and motivations of the people involved show through. This is part of the reason why I hold the vast majority of commercial bestiality porn in such low regard, since (rather like mainstream porn, which has started to come under fire for giving people unrealistic and unhealthy preconceptions about sex) what it shows is entirely manufactured and "fake." When the average person sees some Brazilian woman perfunctorily performing oral sex on a dog then using him like a dildo while moaning with all the genuine passion of a dead fish, they will associate that scene with zoophilia in general, which, I feel, can't be anything other than harmful, since it's in no way indicative of the behaviour of actual zoophiles. I just think, if people are to judge us, best they judge US, not what someone else has painted us to be, or what someone thinks we want to see.
Jeez I ramble on...
I understand. Forgive me, I tend to want to get aggressive in these situations and push for what I believe. It's just that if we start keeping lists of "wins" for our side, then we are feeling more inclined to fight. And after years of keeping my mouth shut and taking abuse, when it's time to fight I fight hard. I agree that your views have merit, and that at present it may be the best course of action. However, I'm a bit more focused on if and when the time is right to take a more active approach. It may never happen, hell, it probably won't in my lifetime, but it's at least worth considering isn't it?
Chiming in as a transwoman here, you both make good points. In my (admittedly limited) experience, porn does help at least spread the knowledge that there are people out there who are different from the norm, and promote discussion. However, such discussions are often filled with misinformation, and as long as the subject matter is seen as just some weird kink/fetish, most people don't feel the need to actually look into it. Now, granted, there will be those who are intrigued and actually look into it, and some of them will even become crusaders and actively try to spread accurate information. However, such people are few and far in between. Most of the people I've seen trying to spread information about transgender issues are transgender themselves, and I see the same as likely being true for zoophilia/bestiality.
I have to admit, I'm rather relieved to hear that I'm not talking total bullshit <_<
I always feel somewhat awkward about drawing parallels like that since as a straight, cis, white, middle-class guy I'm about as qualified to talk about the experiences of most social minorities as I am to talk about those of 14th century Italian mime artists. Nice to know I'm at least somewhat on the right track :)
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IDK,
I don't think the missing familiarization with beast-porn is the problem. A huge fraction of people have watched it online, for one reason or the other already a long time ago. Did it change anything so far?
LOL. All one has to do is read the bible, to find out that some women like sex with dogs and equines. Can't think of the passage ATM, but it's in the old testament.
Ok now upload a video of a man banging a female dog, see what happens
Yeah, no. We're not. Some guys are jerking off to the taboo thought of a girl getting fucked by a dog.