submitted 2015-02-23 15:02:37 by btwIAMAzoophileDogs are cute.
ZoroasterTheCat 5 points on 2015-02-23 20:13:45
Your comments are too low effort. What? Have the mods even read the comments in a typical ask reddit thread? They're against zoophilia flat out, though; any mention of /r/sexwithdogs gets removed automatically by Automoderator.
btwIAMAzoophile 4 points on 2015-02-23 21:23:07
They seemed to do a pretty decent job defending us with that one that blew up recently. They deleted most of the negative assaults.
But eh, can't ever expect a lot of support from anywhere. The /r/dogs mod was ironically(maybe?) waaaaay more courteous when explaining the ban; he seemed a pretty neutral character.
ZoroasterTheCat 2 points on 2015-02-23 23:46:04
Eh, maybe. I don't see why they have to have a blanket removal of any mention of the subreddit, though. That was one of the best ways we got new subscribers.
Equine_Aficionado 1 point on 2015-02-24 06:07:03
Maybe they're just butthurt about how much that one blew up and they're getting you back for it?
AliasTheReindeerPone 2 points on 2015-02-23 23:37:01
Some of those default subs seem to be getting a bit overzealous with their power. Namely /r/IAmA, but /r/AskReddit seems to be heading down that route as well.
It's a shame for a couple of reasons. One is that, until recently, they were both great places to have meaningful discussions. Not just about zoophilia, but about any unconventional topic. But now the mods seem to promote conformity in the name of discussion, essentially turning the whole thing into a massive circle jerk.
The other unfortunate thing is that those mods are entirely within their power to do so. If they want to reduce the variety of discussion, then it's their subreddit that's affected as a result, and there's not much we can (Or perhaps even should) do to deter them.
zoozooz 4 points on 2015-02-23 23:48:57
On the one hand I can see how it looks a bit weird "inserting" zoophilia topics so often, but on the other hand - what's the purpose of asking these questions in AskReddit in the first place? Is it only to get "expected" and "normal" answers? Why even ask them then? Aren't unexpected and unusual answers what makes these questions interesting in the first place?
PawwsiesCanines! 3 points on 2015-02-24 03:04:50
Stuff like this will be the downfall of Reddit. It isn't really weird commenting about zoophilia so often on a throwaway account specifically for zoo purposes. That's kind of the point of having the account in the first place. You're adding to the conversation, it's a rare viewpoint.
Tundrovyy-VolkCanidae 0 points on 2015-02-24 07:49:38
It is the downfall of reddit, in my opinion. Reddit's been around for 8 years now, and the large communities' mods are getting a stranglehold. Like any regime facing imminent collapse, they'll do all they can to hold their power.
Tundrovyy-VolkCanidae 2 points on 2015-02-24 10:31:43
Conspiracy theorists... yes. Political persuasions seem divided between libertarians and far lefties.
ulungu 1 point on 2015-02-24 10:41:50
Looking around it seems a lot better than it used to be.
When I checked it out a few months ago the front page looked like /r/conspiracy
PawwsiesCanines! 1 point on 2015-02-24 19:02:19
I don't know, I don't think we should start an exodus to Voat until this sub itself is compromised in some way, whether that be deletion by reddit mods or intense downvote brigades.
thousandcows 1 point on 2015-02-24 06:06:58
There was an /r/sex post recently where the OP told a story about how her SO's penis became stuck inside her. There was a slew of comments such as "You might have puppies now" and "are you sure your boyfriend isn't a dog?" and "I've seen that happen in nature documentaries."
Every comment even remotely joking about animals was removed. It was a wasteland of deleted comment chains.
There are no rules in /r/sex about not making jokes, and people still make asinine "Colby" references in every other thread. It's just knee-jerk reactionary response to something that freaks people out. We shouldn't be at all surprised when moderators feel they have the moral high-ground to censor and crusade against horrible, freakish animal-abusers, or anyone who even paints the picture in someone's head that an animal and a human may have sex.
I've seen people comment on reddit in reply to bestiality jokes that they didn't know people had sex with animals, and that they are now disturbed and literally weeping at their computer. I've seen people equate the idea of sex with animals as the most "vile punishment that Satan could devise in hell". I've seen "veterinarians" testify on reddit that they have to treat and euthanize animals that are the victims of rape every day, and nobody calls them out.
We need to remember, that as zoo's or pro-zoo's we ARE the 1%
Or the 3%.
Or the 13%.
Shit, nobody even really knows how many of us there are. We're like the sexual Fremen of Arrakis.
PonySmoocherEquines! 1 point on 2015-02-24 07:08:51
"veterinarians" testify on reddit that they have to treat and euthanize animals that are the victims of rape every day
Not sure if "lol?" is appropriate for the topic. Sometimes I wonder if people are really that stupid to not waste a single thought on "is that possible?" when someone says something. When in Germany some anti-group "stated" some "statistics", the number they made up on animals killed for sexual purposes was so high, everyone of us would be busy all week getting, sexing, killing and disposing of animals. I still wonder where I am even supposed to bury up to 20 dead horses a year. The kicker is: People were outraged at hundreds of thousands of animals killed, when the number killed for meat is easily in the dozens to almost hundreds of millions (for Germany).
Let's see what the above statement does: There is about 80000 veterinarians in the US according to this. If they all (b/c why should one be special) have to do that every workday, that's about 48x5x80000 animals, assuming one a day and a 4 week vacation for our vet. So... 19,200,000 animals every year. Wow. Because we can find there are 9.2 million horses in the US (http://www.theequestrianchannel.com/id3.html)
and (http://www.statista.com/statistics/198100/dogs-in-the-united-states-since-2000/) says the US has 78 million dogs.
So basically, every single dog or horse in the US is getting treatment for having sex with humans at one or the other point in their lives, many double to quadruple in their lifespans....
zoozooz 2 points on 2015-02-24 09:17:07
When in Germany some anti-group "stated" some "statistics", the number they made up on animals killed for sexual purposes was so high
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 2 points on 2015-02-24 19:37:53
I wonder if their 500k estimate includes those killed to produce leather? In which case, it's probably exactly the same since the ban.
[deleted] 1 point on 2015-02-24 19:56:11
Industrial animal killing for goods and services is hundreds of millions every year in the US. Germany is certainly not that much smaller in magnitude. I'd dare to say worldwide billions of animals are killed every year for us humans. Just assume that every year (365 days), at least once every human eats a chicken (or parts of it in a soup or so). BOOM 7 Billion Chickens killed for us. In fact 14 Billions, because male chickens (about 50/50 birth ratio) are pulverized in an industrial shredder before the female chickens are conveyor belted into the fattening stage of a poultry factory (yeah, don't look where the food comes from, it's disgusting).
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 1 point on 2015-02-25 19:05:38
Figure I've heard is 100 trillion over the course of human history. A number so large that it is to the holocaust what the holocaust is to a single murder.
zoozooz 1 point on 2015-02-24 21:46:27
As far as I am concerned: No, because they made that up.
[deleted] 1 point on 2015-02-24 19:50:46
I know about the direct input to the government campaign. The part where anti-zoos spoke to the German chancellor within that was done by Ulla S.. She and her leeches faked the majority (by far) of the internet votes that put them on the top of the list to get said chancellorette-date.
So we have people mass-faking votes to speak to the chancellor about something that outrages them, because before that they also mass-fabricated hugely inflated "statistics" on that. Completely bonkers and or demented that group. I think Ulla has left that particular battlefield (a strike of realization?) and does something else today, not even mentioning her great deeds from the past any longer.
Ja ja, da ist der Name Programm bei der. Oder war. Wie gesagt, die ist ja total in irgendeiner Versenkung verschwunden. Die Story warum wuerde ich gern mal wissen.
It's a reddit-like site with a much smaller community. Most people there are there genuinely for discussion. And most are also extremely pro free speech; lots of them are reddit refugees who feel they were wrongly banned by spiteful or politically motivated mods.
Honestly, /r/zoophilia is pretty much the only reason I keep coming back to reddit. In the last week or so I've seen a lot of great content and discussion on this sub.
Tundrovyy-VolkCanidae 2 points on 2015-02-24 07:52:09
Yup! I should get around to posting there too, it's lonely over there.
actuallynotazoophileok, I lied. 2 points on 2015-02-24 17:12:24
its doing its job for the time being, sitting in the sidelines until needed.
Equine_Aficionado 2 points on 2015-02-25 01:25:50
Which is good, except... I've been browsing voat recently under a non-zoo username, and the founder recently announced that subs that haven't seen any activity for more than 60 days will be deleted automatically, to prevent squatting. The site founder will also give away "abandoned" subs to active users who submit a request (a sub is considered abandoned by its mod of the mod hasn't posted there in several weeks).
/v/zoophilia is still alive, since it's less than 60 days old, and it's still in the original admin's hands because nobody bothered to ask for it. So I'm thinking one of us (maybe the admin) should start reposting the best stuff from here, maybe one thing per week, just to keep the sub from being deleted or falling into the wrong hands.
actuallynotazoophileok, I lied. 2 points on 2015-02-25 05:46:29
Ah I didnt know boards got deleted over there. Thats actually a pretty good rule but i guess works against us in this instance. I think just reposting the top rated topic per week is a pretty great idea. it would make a useful crash course on important zoo topics for people who may be interested and would be good enough to keep it ticking over.
T-V is mod of here and there so I guess its up to him at the end of the day. Have you messaged him about it or should I?
Equine_Aficionado 1 point on 2015-02-25 07:51:03
I haven't mentioned it to him, so you can go ahead. I'll make sure to keep checking out the sub, like vote stuff up and comment a bit so it gets some activity. Hopefully we can start attracting new users too; Voat's politics seem to skew heavily libertarian at the moment. Although the conspiracy nuts do get a little tiring...
btwIAMAzoophile 2 points on 2015-02-24 06:14:40
UPDATE: Kind of....
I messaged the mods calling them out. Gustavofrings, a notorious tool, messaged me back so we argued a bit. I knew that I would ultimately be banned permanently regardless, because they set me up with a near-impossible task given my username. Here is that.
Also here is a nice(as well as a douchey /r/dogs moderator message thread.
edit: sorry, decided to omit the /r/dogs message just in case.
thelongestusernameeethese posts are too deep for me. im starting to get all weird ag 1 point on 2015-03-13 21:47:08
/r/zoophilia archive
Your comments are too low effort. What? Have the mods even read the comments in a typical ask reddit thread? They're against zoophilia flat out, though; any mention of /r/sexwithdogs gets removed automatically by Automoderator.
They seemed to do a pretty decent job defending us with that one that blew up recently. They deleted most of the negative assaults.
But eh, can't ever expect a lot of support from anywhere. The /r/dogs mod was ironically(maybe?) waaaaay more courteous when explaining the ban; he seemed a pretty neutral character.
Eh, maybe. I don't see why they have to have a blanket removal of any mention of the subreddit, though. That was one of the best ways we got new subscribers.
Maybe they're just butthurt about how much that one blew up and they're getting you back for it?
Some of those default subs seem to be getting a bit overzealous with their power. Namely /r/IAmA, but /r/AskReddit seems to be heading down that route as well.
It's a shame for a couple of reasons. One is that, until recently, they were both great places to have meaningful discussions. Not just about zoophilia, but about any unconventional topic. But now the mods seem to promote conformity in the name of discussion, essentially turning the whole thing into a massive circle jerk.
The other unfortunate thing is that those mods are entirely within their power to do so. If they want to reduce the variety of discussion, then it's their subreddit that's affected as a result, and there's not much we can (Or perhaps even should) do to deter them.
On the one hand I can see how it looks a bit weird "inserting" zoophilia topics so often, but on the other hand - what's the purpose of asking these questions in AskReddit in the first place? Is it only to get "expected" and "normal" answers? Why even ask them then? Aren't unexpected and unusual answers what makes these questions interesting in the first place?
Stuff like this will be the downfall of Reddit. It isn't really weird commenting about zoophilia so often on a throwaway account specifically for zoo purposes. That's kind of the point of having the account in the first place. You're adding to the conversation, it's a rare viewpoint.
It is the downfall of reddit, in my opinion. Reddit's been around for 8 years now, and the large communities' mods are getting a stranglehold. Like any regime facing imminent collapse, they'll do all they can to hold their power.
Just in time to use our Voat clone!
Isn't Voat ran by far right conspiracy theorists?
Conspiracy theorists... yes. Political persuasions seem divided between libertarians and far lefties.
Looking around it seems a lot better than it used to be.
When I checked it out a few months ago the front page looked like /r/conspiracy
I don't know, I don't think we should start an exodus to Voat until this sub itself is compromised in some way, whether that be deletion by reddit mods or intense downvote brigades.
There was an /r/sex post recently where the OP told a story about how her SO's penis became stuck inside her. There was a slew of comments such as "You might have puppies now" and "are you sure your boyfriend isn't a dog?" and "I've seen that happen in nature documentaries."
Every comment even remotely joking about animals was removed. It was a wasteland of deleted comment chains.
There are no rules in /r/sex about not making jokes, and people still make asinine "Colby" references in every other thread. It's just knee-jerk reactionary response to something that freaks people out. We shouldn't be at all surprised when moderators feel they have the moral high-ground to censor and crusade against horrible, freakish animal-abusers, or anyone who even paints the picture in someone's head that an animal and a human may have sex.
I've seen people comment on reddit in reply to bestiality jokes that they didn't know people had sex with animals, and that they are now disturbed and literally weeping at their computer. I've seen people equate the idea of sex with animals as the most "vile punishment that Satan could devise in hell". I've seen "veterinarians" testify on reddit that they have to treat and euthanize animals that are the victims of rape every day, and nobody calls them out.
We need to remember, that as zoo's or pro-zoo's we ARE the 1%
Or the 3%.
Or the 13%.
Shit, nobody even really knows how many of us there are. We're like the sexual Fremen of Arrakis.
Not sure if "lol?" is appropriate for the topic. Sometimes I wonder if people are really that stupid to not waste a single thought on "is that possible?" when someone says something. When in Germany some anti-group "stated" some "statistics", the number they made up on animals killed for sexual purposes was so high, everyone of us would be busy all week getting, sexing, killing and disposing of animals. I still wonder where I am even supposed to bury up to 20 dead horses a year. The kicker is: People were outraged at hundreds of thousands of animals killed, when the number killed for meat is easily in the dozens to almost hundreds of millions (for Germany).
Let's see what the above statement does: There is about 80000 veterinarians in the US according to this. If they all (b/c why should one be special) have to do that every workday, that's about 48x5x80000 animals, assuming one a day and a 4 week vacation for our vet. So... 19,200,000 animals every year. Wow. Because we can find there are 9.2 million horses in the US (http://www.theequestrianchannel.com/id3.html) and (http://www.statista.com/statistics/198100/dogs-in-the-united-states-since-2000/) says the US has 78 million dogs.
So basically, every single dog or horse in the US is getting treatment for having sex with humans at one or the other point in their lives, many double to quadruple in their lifespans....
I have seen the number 500.000 often used, but I have literally never seen anyone even attempt to give a source. These people are everywhere. There was a "dialog for the future" campaign where people were the government thought it would be a good idea to let people give them direct input. But... https://www.dialog-ueber-deutschland.de/DE/20-Vorschlaege/10-Wie-Leben/Einzelansicht/vorschlaege_einzelansicht_node.html?cms_idIdea=8808. Someone claims that the 500.000 killed animals are an estimation from "sex researchers".
From what I heard this "fact" was invented by these people https://web.archive.org/web/20130806100616/http://www.denk-mit.info/gesellschaft/sexmittierenkeinekrankheit.html, who are supposedly affiliated with the christian sect "Universelles Leben".
But: Why even try to "disprove" this number? It should be enough to ask for a source, because we know nobody has a reliable one.
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."
I wonder if their 500k estimate includes those killed to produce leather? In which case, it's probably exactly the same since the ban.
Industrial animal killing for goods and services is hundreds of millions every year in the US. Germany is certainly not that much smaller in magnitude. I'd dare to say worldwide billions of animals are killed every year for us humans. Just assume that every year (365 days), at least once every human eats a chicken (or parts of it in a soup or so). BOOM 7 Billion Chickens killed for us. In fact 14 Billions, because male chickens (about 50/50 birth ratio) are pulverized in an industrial shredder before the female chickens are conveyor belted into the fattening stage of a poultry factory (yeah, don't look where the food comes from, it's disgusting).
Figure I've heard is 100 trillion over the course of human history. A number so large that it is to the holocaust what the holocaust is to a single murder.
As far as I am concerned: No, because they made that up.
I know about the direct input to the government campaign. The part where anti-zoos spoke to the German chancellor within that was done by Ulla S.. She and her leeches faked the majority (by far) of the internet votes that put them on the top of the list to get said chancellorette-date.
So we have people mass-faking votes to speak to the chancellor about something that outrages them, because before that they also mass-fabricated hugely inflated "statistics" on that. Completely bonkers and or demented that group. I think Ulla has left that particular battlefield (a strike of realization?) and does something else today, not even mentioning her great deeds from the past any longer.
I didn't follow that stuff at the time, but... wow... http://www.zoophiler-tierschutz.info/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Sauredruckdurchluege.png
Ja ja, da ist der Name Programm bei der. Oder war. Wie gesagt, die ist ja total in irgendeiner Versenkung verschwunden. Die Story warum wuerde ich gern mal wissen.
gonna plug https://voat.co/
It's a reddit-like site with a much smaller community. Most people there are there genuinely for discussion. And most are also extremely pro free speech; lots of them are reddit refugees who feel they were wrongly banned by spiteful or politically motivated mods.
Honestly, /r/zoophilia is pretty much the only reason I keep coming back to reddit. In the last week or so I've seen a lot of great content and discussion on this sub.
/v/zoophilia!
Yup! I should get around to posting there too, it's lonely over there.
its doing its job for the time being, sitting in the sidelines until needed.
Which is good, except... I've been browsing voat recently under a non-zoo username, and the founder recently announced that subs that haven't seen any activity for more than 60 days will be deleted automatically, to prevent squatting. The site founder will also give away "abandoned" subs to active users who submit a request (a sub is considered abandoned by its mod of the mod hasn't posted there in several weeks).
/v/zoophilia is still alive, since it's less than 60 days old, and it's still in the original admin's hands because nobody bothered to ask for it. So I'm thinking one of us (maybe the admin) should start reposting the best stuff from here, maybe one thing per week, just to keep the sub from being deleted or falling into the wrong hands.
Ah I didnt know boards got deleted over there. Thats actually a pretty good rule but i guess works against us in this instance. I think just reposting the top rated topic per week is a pretty great idea. it would make a useful crash course on important zoo topics for people who may be interested and would be good enough to keep it ticking over.
T-V is mod of here and there so I guess its up to him at the end of the day. Have you messaged him about it or should I?
I haven't mentioned it to him, so you can go ahead. I'll make sure to keep checking out the sub, like vote stuff up and comment a bit so it gets some activity. Hopefully we can start attracting new users too; Voat's politics seem to skew heavily libertarian at the moment. Although the conspiracy nuts do get a little tiring...
UPDATE: Kind of....
I messaged the mods calling them out. Gustavofrings, a notorious tool, messaged me back so we argued a bit. I knew that I would ultimately be banned permanently regardless, because they set me up with a near-impossible task given my username. Here is that.
Also here is a nice(as well as a douchey /r/dogs moderator message thread.edit: sorry, decided to omit the /r/dogs message just in case.
why mods suck