Wondering why some of the zoophilia/bestiality sites you may or may not visit (such as Beastforum) have been inaccessible over the past few days?
Warning: Not for the faint of heart. Lots of images of animal abuse.
https://twitter.com/opnulldenmark
The reason is a DDoS campaign by a few dozen barely-literate anons from Denmark who are looking to heroically fight against animal abuse by launching a campaign to target zoophile communities instead of animal abusers.
When will it end? Who knows. But given the fact that they're modern-day annonym0ouse trilbytippers el1te h@ckers, probably when their break ends and they have to return to school.
Probably the most hilarious post (technically, retweet) to come from this Twitter account is the claim that the Florida man who had a sexual relationship with a dolphin caused the dolphin to commit suicide.
Oddly, that claim was made by the Florida man (Malcolm Brenner) in his book, though he attributes it to his having left his lover rather than the relationship itself. Kind of a big difference in interpretations there, and we'll never know what was happening in that dolphin's head.
Regardless of that claim, however, I can't speak strongly enough against this hacker crap. Fuck these people for digitally blocking the doors to a porn shop with propaganda and then expecting to be taken seriously in their opposition.
Infoportal has a page that explains the sources of many of these images. Spoiler alert: most have nothing to do with zoophilia.
Here it is in english:
http://www.zoophiler-tierschutz.info/2014/07/04/en-alleged-and-actual-victims/
http://www.zoophiler-tierschutz.info/2014/09/01/alleged-and-actual-victims-ii/
They also like to pretend to fight against fake issues like alleged "animal brothels": https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=opnulldenmark%20brothels&src=sprv
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This is important to know, if zoophiles don't educate, then people like #opnbulldenmark will.
How do we do this most effectively? Our numbers are few, we must be efficient.
It's not impossible, I just managed to make the /r/minecraftsuggestions sub much more active and regulated, just by being loud about the problem, so we just got to take it by steps: How to have your opinion heard while keeping your identity a secret, would be a number one issue. Through youtube videos on the topic and some strategic publicity, we could get the intellectuals and the undecided interested. Even if we attract the haters, the arguments they leave behind can be used as a way to make the movement stronger, by formulating rebuttals and be better prepared when they are made again.
The atheists rely on humor for example, and then switch to a much more serious related issue.
Also giving people a face, so as to make people believe that they are real people behind this, not some caricature, but actual people that might as well be their relatives.
What do you (and the others here) think about this guy? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaUuVBu8SJZhke8RYRWSNQg/videos
Will give him a more indepth view tomorrow but it seems that throwing people who commit bestiality under the bus is automatically admitting sex with animals is questionable. I'd like to see a more inclusive approach that doesn't divide any group... ie rape is wrong but we don't throw any particular group of heterosexuals under the. Bus.
I think a lot of that has been done in the last ten years. In my opinion, despite the attempts to roll us back like this one, way more random people are okay or at least willing to listen than ever before.
For example the excellent: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheEruditeKynophile
What I see as a problem with these attempts is how easy it is to get folks to agree to hate zoos(as evidenced by the subscribers) while supporting us is an uphill battle at least(again judging by likes and subscribes). What straight person would take the chance to share a link like that. Only the brave or very sure of themselves.
So, what to do? Continue telling folks. Don't circle the wagons. A considered but strong response to the specific tweet we are seeing from this group would be nice. Just retweet a fact for every lie. But as we all know that also makes you a target. What gain for the individual then?
I hope zeta verin grows enough to be able to be a collective voice. They take donations but as alway zoo paranoia pervents many from making donations.
I'd like to see North American chapters of ZETA, personally.
Working on it, doxxing is a problem for me. Also searching for a lawyer has been difficult. I need to become independently wealthy...
For zeta verein... Which I misspelled above... You can donate at... I guess I'll have to purchase some Bitcoin finally. http://www.zeta-verein.de/en/the-association/financially-support/
Edit for added linky goodness
The problem here is that there wasn't a strategy related to it, their efforts were well guided but inefficient, have you heard of Kyle from Secular Talk? he believes the animals should be able to give direct consent always, and believes that indirect consent is ridiculous saying: "what, does the cow moo have to have a specific pitch?" but yet he is open minded, advocating for polygamy for example, so obviously he hasn't been exposed to the proper info.
He is known to hold debates on his show, so if someone can manage to enter, then we are achieving a much greater strategy.
The first videos should cover the basics, but not be explicit on their titles on what is going to be presented, but merely approximate.
This is all based on psychology research.
Well, in your opinion I suppose. I'd point out that your suggestion is no more efficient than what has been done. In fact you'd just be repeating history as what you suggest has been done.
What psychology is it based upon, and which part? Is that just your opinion again?
Not at all, is called the first serving bias, basically subjects are much more likely t accept an identical request, no matter how intrusive, if they accept a smaller request by the same person, so basically, by giving an approximate title, like: Sexual taboo and legality, then you are more likely for people to listen, than if you give an exact tittle like: Push for legalization of zoophilia, the same argument could be applied if we introduce ourselves through other already popular channels of discussion (open minded of course).
But I have done just that. Others have done just that, much better than I. It is also very seldom that a zoophile would get to choose the title of anything other than a self-created video, writing or news. Any interview will play up the animal sex aspect in an unfortunate way, even sympathetic interviews.
Anyhow, you are telling us to continue what we are doing which for each person can be terribly dangerous, as it was for sexual and other minorities before us.
You are claiming that we are "inefficient" and then recommend we do the same thing we were doing. Once again your lack of breadth of knowledge of the zoophile community and your assumptions seem to have lead you astray.
Many things are inefficient, but we still don't change them, like celebrating Christmas.
I did not make any imperatives on this post, but merely a discussion on what would be done if it were to happen.
You can always donate with bitcoins.
If you really want to make sure there is no trail back to you, you can use TOR and send the bitcoins first to some mixing service like http://www.bitcoinfog.com/ / http://foggeddriztrcar2.onion/ and then, still using tor, send it to whomever you want to donate to.
how bout a youtube channel?
That's part of it, but not all of it. Memetic pictures, ideas, poetry, and songs. And put the results of each effort on all the social channels where they are relevant. Songs and interviews on YouTube, memetic pictures on Twitter and Facebook, short stories on whichever blogging platform is cool with the kids these days.
Hm... looks like zoophilesforum is down?
I thought that, but its back up again now. apparently they're doing updates.
What one needs is better protection against DDoS attacks. This is probably expensive hence why the zoo sites went down.
keeping websites like gaybeast and beastforum and other sites that, sell/show/overly praise pornography that in many instances is borderline blatant rape, offline is doing zoophiles more good than harm. Pro zoophilia material is often difficult to search for by curious semi-open minded people who happen to not know the terminology, but google searches for "men having sex with dogs" or women having sex with horses" ect. land these folks at these disgusting sites where the only thing worse than the "filth" in the porn is the "filth" in the comments.
What your saying makes sense, especially if one searches for the word bestiality vs searching for zoophilia.
I'm in agreement, but because of the terminology change getting around you'll notice that zoophilia is the prefered term for bestiality rape videos now...... zoophilia on most sites will find porno sites rather than the "disease" nowadays.
Wow, no wonder there is so much hate recently. I've not seen most of this stuff, because the human part of bestiality porn does absolutely nothing for me. Animal-on-animal FTW.
I absolutely agree, bringing the porn centered sites down is actually good for zoos. Been a member of BF myself for some years and got banned because I spoke out on the terrible "zoo" porn hosted there.I once saw a video of someone named "Calfboinker" raping a cow. Yes, it clearly was rape, even more, the poor cow was tied to a wall with a snare that choked her when she tried to get away from the "zoophile" rapist dickhead. She clearly and unmistakably screamed in agony and when I read the comments made by those self proclaimed "zoos", I nearly hit my screen in pure anger..."You did her well", "Yeah, that c*nt deserved that", to cite only the less despicable ones. When I wrote a PM to one of the mods, he banned me without any reason other than what he stated in his email "I think you don´t fit in here". Sites like BF are only out there to collect money, the ones running this sites aren´t interested in animals or zoophilia, but they make a "happy buck" (or several hundereds of thousands) out of us "perverts". If you try to think of anything that is more capable of doing heavy damage to the zoo movement than the OpBeast/NullDenmark, you inevitably come up with sites like BF. To reestablish a healthy equilibrium between porn and serious info, any single genuine zoophile would have to write 24 hours a day, for at least five years from now on. But this seems the only thing we are left to do: putting more and more genuine and serious information about zoophilia out there into the net and hoping that it will be read by as many nonzoos as possible. It´s really sad that the worst opposition for zoo tolerance is located in our "own" group.