KynophileDog lover 3 points on 2015-04-12 20:14:27
I'm just glad that politicians in the states are more or less oblivious to whining on twitter. I doubt this would ever work there, even if hackers knew who to target.
HeartBeatOfTheBeastHoof and Claw 1 point on 2015-04-12 21:43:25
So true, though Denmark is a much smaller country vs the United States, I think that plays into the mix.
Yearningmice 5 points on 2015-04-12 20:23:12
See, I had heard the law was already coming, this was just a push to make it popular at the last moment, wasn't it?
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 2 points on 2015-04-12 21:01:31
Yeah it was announced in October, I believe. I thought I remembered reading though it wasn't going into effect until July?
DerErzbaronGomezRarity, we don't wear any clothes. 3 points on 2015-04-12 20:25:10
So basically they are introducing a law which they declare as unethical? That's some new standard.
I hope that they somehow get to stop this law. What is an ethics council for if you don't listen to them while making decisions?
Tundrovyy-VolkCanidae 5 points on 2015-04-12 22:26:24
Rationality will always bend to public opinion, as far as incumbent politicians seeking reelection are concerned.
Denmark was no zoophilic "safe haven": the vast majority of people looked down on zoophilia, just as they do in the rest of the world. Just because the laws weren't there didn't mean it was impossible to be prosecuted for other animal welfare crimes if the lawyers were good enough.
This is a symbolic loss. We're fearful, and with good reason, but life will go on for us as it did before. You cannot be open as a zoo regardless of law, so there will be few losses.
Stay safe, everyone.
actuallynotazoophileok, I lied 4 points on 2015-04-12 22:46:33
You cannot be open as a zoo regardless of law, so there will be few losses.
This is the thing, they don't seriously think this is going to stop anyone do they?
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 5 points on 2015-04-12 23:01:20
That is the thing. You have anti's readily admitting there is no physical evidence (in other words, injuries), which really makes it pointless.
On top of that, by creating even more paranoia, they could easily be doing more harm than good. It would encourage riskier hiding behaviors like avoiding vets, esp in areas they discuss how to see 'signs' of bestiality like they were talking about in the US.
coyotedriftZoo Friendly 2 points on 2015-04-13 00:44:22
In the same way more gun control laws will stop violent gun crime. criminals aren't going to let a law stop them. Laws only hurt the law abiding. Fact is, there are more gun crime in areas (in the US) that have the strictest gun laws.
Tundrovyy-VolkCanidae 5 points on 2015-04-13 03:04:42
Let's not start an argument, here. The fact of the matter is that there is compelling evidence with statistics both for and against gun control.
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 1 point on 2015-04-13 08:04:12
possible to be prosecuted for other animal welfare crimes
Isn't that a good thing though? Sure, laws can be poorly thought out and cover far more than the politicians said they would, but the principal of animal cruelty prevention laws is a good thing.
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 1 point on 2015-04-13 08:34:18
In theory, yes, it absolutely should be. What can happen though is that evidence can be stretched or twisted depending on how good the lawyers are.
Tundrovyy-VolkCanidae 1 point on 2015-04-13 09:48:18
If there is actual abuse occurring, then it is most certainly a good thing. The trouble occurs when skillful lawyers are able to convince the judge and jury that bestiality is inherently abusive, and is therefore prosecutable under less specific laws.
the_northern_fox 2 points on 2015-04-13 20:35:48
Actually the focus now should be put in South America, esp. Brazil, for both sides. Judging from the spelling of many site names (in the list hacked), they are Spanish or Portuguese speaking.
wright-oneursidae canidae pantherinae 5 points on 2015-04-13 00:10:03
good god that was a frustrating read. that "lawyers4animals" person is an idiot. i had to stop after a few pages.
HeartBeatOfTheBeastHoof and Claw 4 points on 2015-04-13 01:20:01
I don't think he passed the bar exam.
HeartBeatOfTheBeastHoof and Claw 3 points on 2015-04-13 01:18:04
The struggle was bound to get more difficult and the porn producers and fence hoppers would never let us really hide even if we wanted to. Most of us already live where it is illegal, or automatically considered abuse.
The science is getting better and I've noticed a lot more non-zoos willing to try support us. At least anonymously.
Sapphire_seamEquus 3 points on 2015-04-13 04:11:34
Wow that lawyers4animals guy is one walking logical falsehood.
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 3 points on 2015-04-13 08:28:47
I've just noticed this is one of the few tweets written in English by that guy. Guess it's all about the international perception…
HeartBeatOfTheBeastHoof and Claw 2 points on 2015-04-14 16:24:26
Interesting observation. I guess for him, he is just doing what he thinks is normal.
kennel_dweller 1 point on 2015-04-13 19:32:02
This tidal wave of emotions and outrage, like an actual tidal wave, has to wash out at some point. It just has to.
The_Zoo_Brony 1 point on 2015-04-18 07:48:06
Things like this are a perfect example of why we should always stick to "If it isn't broken, don't fix this".
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This is the result of the Anonymous cyber attacks and extreme propaganda.
So I guess people in Denmark don't eat Meat or wear Leather?
But that's different, animals want to be turned into fashion!
They consented to be a fashion statement!
Why be alive when you can be dead GORGEOUS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtgeUp35jZw
Hubba hubba!
I'm just glad that politicians in the states are more or less oblivious to whining on twitter. I doubt this would ever work there, even if hackers knew who to target.
So true, though Denmark is a much smaller country vs the United States, I think that plays into the mix.
See, I had heard the law was already coming, this was just a push to make it popular at the last moment, wasn't it?
Yeah it was announced in October, I believe. I thought I remembered reading though it wasn't going into effect until July?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/weird-news/denmark-moves-to-ban-bestiality-controversial-right-to-have-sex-with-animals-will-be-outlawed-9790829.html
So basically they are introducing a law which they declare as unethical? That's some new standard.
I hope that they somehow get to stop this law. What is an ethics council for if you don't listen to them while making decisions?
Rationality will always bend to public opinion, as far as incumbent politicians seeking reelection are concerned.
Denmark was no zoophilic "safe haven": the vast majority of people looked down on zoophilia, just as they do in the rest of the world. Just because the laws weren't there didn't mean it was impossible to be prosecuted for other animal welfare crimes if the lawyers were good enough.
This is a symbolic loss. We're fearful, and with good reason, but life will go on for us as it did before. You cannot be open as a zoo regardless of law, so there will be few losses.
Stay safe, everyone.
This is the thing, they don't seriously think this is going to stop anyone do they?
That is the thing. You have anti's readily admitting there is no physical evidence (in other words, injuries), which really makes it pointless.
On top of that, by creating even more paranoia, they could easily be doing more harm than good. It would encourage riskier hiding behaviors like avoiding vets, esp in areas they discuss how to see 'signs' of bestiality like they were talking about in the US.
In the same way more gun control laws will stop violent gun crime. criminals aren't going to let a law stop them. Laws only hurt the law abiding. Fact is, there are more gun crime in areas (in the US) that have the strictest gun laws.
Let's not start an argument, here. The fact of the matter is that there is compelling evidence with statistics both for and against gun control.
Isn't that a good thing though? Sure, laws can be poorly thought out and cover far more than the politicians said they would, but the principal of animal cruelty prevention laws is a good thing.
In theory, yes, it absolutely should be. What can happen though is that evidence can be stretched or twisted depending on how good the lawyers are.
If there is actual abuse occurring, then it is most certainly a good thing. The trouble occurs when skillful lawyers are able to convince the judge and jury that bestiality is inherently abusive, and is therefore prosecutable under less specific laws.
Actually the focus now should be put in South America, esp. Brazil, for both sides. Judging from the spelling of many site names (in the list hacked), they are Spanish or Portuguese speaking.
good god that was a frustrating read. that "lawyers4animals" person is an idiot. i had to stop after a few pages.
I don't think he passed the bar exam.
While there maybe another law on the books, us Zoos will have something that they will never in a hundred years have: HOPE: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Assistants_and_George_Frederic_Watts_-_Hope_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg
At some point maybe this is a good thing...
The struggle was bound to get more difficult and the porn producers and fence hoppers would never let us really hide even if we wanted to. Most of us already live where it is illegal, or automatically considered abuse.
The science is getting better and I've noticed a lot more non-zoos willing to try support us. At least anonymously.
Wow that lawyers4animals guy is one walking logical falsehood.
I've just noticed this is one of the few tweets written in English by that guy. Guess it's all about the international perception…
Interesting observation. I guess for him, he is just doing what he thinks is normal.
This tidal wave of emotions and outrage, like an actual tidal wave, has to wash out at some point. It just has to.
Things like this are a perfect example of why we should always stick to "If it isn't broken, don't fix this".