Well....Unfortunately, I can't say the ban was unexpected. At least one party voted no, and another abstained from the vote. That in and of itself shows that at least somewhere in the world there are political allies.
Rannoch2002Deer Zoo 1 point on 2015-05-06 04:58:33
It's actually enough that if you could get the queen to not give royal assent, the bill would not pass.
Good luck with that, though!
HeartBeatOfTheBeastHoof and Claw 0 points on 2015-04-21 19:32:46
I bet 50 years from now bestiality/zoophilia will be legal in all of Europe. Until then, God only knows......
KynophileDog lover 6 points on 2015-04-21 19:58:04
Until the scientific and veterinary studies on the topic are done, we're basically screwed over by preconceptions. All the more reason to figure out how to convince people that it's worthwhile to investigate.
HeartBeatOfTheBeastHoof and Claw 3 points on 2015-04-21 20:03:30
We need some unbiased peer-reviewed journal articles, because while informal surveys are nice they are no substitute for journal articles.
actuallynotazoophileok, I lied 1 point on 2015-04-22 02:13:28
crowd sourced zoophile study! I'll chip in a fiver.
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 1 point on 2015-04-23 21:33:40
Likewise. But for it to be a valid study, we all need to be able to accept what we don't want to hear — if we can't do that, then the answer we want would be no better received than the attempt by the Koch brothers to fund anti-climate-change research.
Personally, I'm good. I'd focus my personal research on totally realistic robotics. Actually, that might be another good thing to crowd fund...
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 2 points on 2015-04-23 17:52:05
I have some ideas of tests that could be done involving monitoring hormone levels, physical examinations, and behavioral analysis.
One of the problems, aside from funding, is finding willing participants. Imagine trying to convince dog breeders to participate in a study comparing them to zoophiles. Finding vets and accredited dog behaviorists willing to participate would be difficult as well. On top of that, getting zoophiles to volunteer would be difficult because of risk. Even if you could get enough to volunteer, obviously that is going to lead to bias.
And yes, funding is a big issue, especially finding sources of funding that won't look biased or pull out funding if the findings start to look like they don't support the funder's position. Like, say Zeta-Verein funds a study, and during the research it turns out that cortisol levels in zoo dogs are extremely high, suggesting stress and discomfort. Are they going to want to keep funding the study?
CaristinnKassadin 3 points on 2015-04-22 08:57:25
Until the scientific and veterinary studies on the topic are done, we're basically screwed over by preconceptions.
It's an issue so rooted in morality and personal feelings that even scientific studies wouldn't solve anything. Just look at vaccination, for example. There's so many excellent studies that show that they don't cause autism, but people feel that it's wrong and that their opinion is just as good as fact.
The minds and hearts of the people have to be won over.
The_Zoo_Brony 4 points on 2015-04-22 00:44:22
I like to think that one day keeping an unspayed pet in a forced celibacy will be looked down upon more than zoophilia/bestiality.
DanielArtaxesGay|Furry|Libertarian|Zoosexual 4 points on 2015-04-22 01:58:48
I would hope more that mutilating animals genitals to de-sex them will be looked down upon much much more than actually giving that animal sexual pleasure.
The_Zoo_Brony 1 point on 2015-04-22 02:33:48
I'd say that if an animal were to live in an unnatural abstinence which would make every estrous painful, they would be better off de-sexed (it's not like they can notice the difference anyway so no one is hurt), but if an owner does decide to keep their pet intact, they should at least provide them with, um, manual stimulation when needed.
DanielArtaxesGay|Furry|Libertarian|Zoosexual 3 points on 2015-04-22 02:39:57
I disagree that they wouldn't notice the difference. It is a part of there body that is no longer there and hormones that are no longer effecting them. If an animal loses a leg it will notice it. Why not there genitals?
That being said I agree about the manual stimulation, there doesn't even have to be anything sexual about it, just releasing there stress so to speak. I also agree they should not be forced to live in abstinence. I know for a fact that there is a toy out there for male dogs to use to get off, I am sure something could be done for females also.
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Well....Unfortunately, I can't say the ban was unexpected. At least one party voted no, and another abstained from the vote. That in and of itself shows that at least somewhere in the world there are political allies.
It's actually enough that if you could get the queen to not give royal assent, the bill would not pass.
Good luck with that, though!
I bet 50 years from now bestiality/zoophilia will be legal in all of Europe. Until then, God only knows......
Until the scientific and veterinary studies on the topic are done, we're basically screwed over by preconceptions. All the more reason to figure out how to convince people that it's worthwhile to investigate.
We need some unbiased peer-reviewed journal articles, because while informal surveys are nice they are no substitute for journal articles.
crowd sourced zoophile study! I'll chip in a fiver.
Likewise. But for it to be a valid study, we all need to be able to accept what we don't want to hear — if we can't do that, then the answer we want would be no better received than the attempt by the Koch brothers to fund anti-climate-change research.
Personally, I'm good. I'd focus my personal research on totally realistic robotics. Actually, that might be another good thing to crowd fund...
I have some ideas of tests that could be done involving monitoring hormone levels, physical examinations, and behavioral analysis.
One of the problems, aside from funding, is finding willing participants. Imagine trying to convince dog breeders to participate in a study comparing them to zoophiles. Finding vets and accredited dog behaviorists willing to participate would be difficult as well. On top of that, getting zoophiles to volunteer would be difficult because of risk. Even if you could get enough to volunteer, obviously that is going to lead to bias.
And yes, funding is a big issue, especially finding sources of funding that won't look biased or pull out funding if the findings start to look like they don't support the funder's position. Like, say Zeta-Verein funds a study, and during the research it turns out that cortisol levels in zoo dogs are extremely high, suggesting stress and discomfort. Are they going to want to keep funding the study?
It's an issue so rooted in morality and personal feelings that even scientific studies wouldn't solve anything. Just look at vaccination, for example. There's so many excellent studies that show that they don't cause autism, but people feel that it's wrong and that their opinion is just as good as fact.
The minds and hearts of the people have to be won over.
I like to think that one day keeping an unspayed pet in a forced celibacy will be looked down upon more than zoophilia/bestiality.
I would hope more that mutilating animals genitals to de-sex them will be looked down upon much much more than actually giving that animal sexual pleasure.
I'd say that if an animal were to live in an unnatural abstinence which would make every estrous painful, they would be better off de-sexed (it's not like they can notice the difference anyway so no one is hurt), but if an owner does decide to keep their pet intact, they should at least provide them with, um, manual stimulation when needed.
I disagree that they wouldn't notice the difference. It is a part of there body that is no longer there and hormones that are no longer effecting them. If an animal loses a leg it will notice it. Why not there genitals?
That being said I agree about the manual stimulation, there doesn't even have to be anything sexual about it, just releasing there stress so to speak. I also agree they should not be forced to live in abstinence. I know for a fact that there is a toy out there for male dogs to use to get off, I am sure something could be done for females also.
Yea Denmark !!! What