submitted 2015-04-27 02:59:41 by zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 1 point on 2015-04-27 03:03:05
I still have to write up a bit more on it, but here's the first part of my survey results.
ulungudogsdogsdogsdogsdogs, and coyotes too I guess 6 points on 2015-04-27 05:22:26
So in summary:
Zoophiles either take their dogs to the vet more often or much less often than the average pet owner. And their dogs are healthier and more well behaved than average.
Interesting.
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 3 points on 2015-04-27 05:28:08
Yeah, like I mentioned in the comments I'm curious whether or not location plays into the vet thing. It kinda makes sense that if every time you took a dog to the vet it could result in them being taken away you'd avoid it, but also that you'd want the highest standard of care possible for a partner if that wasn't a risk.
JonasCliverMightyenas lol 1 point on 2015-04-29 15:27:53
Well, both sample sizes are ridiculously small (especially the breeder one)
Battlecropsdogs, cats, snakes, ungulates 2 points on 2015-04-27 22:33:58
Just out of curiosity, how did you distribute this survey? How'd you get in touch with breeders? Did they know zoos would also be taking the survey?
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 2 points on 2015-04-27 22:43:18
I posted links on dog subreddits and dog breeding forums, so basically the same ways I tried to get zoo respondents. Unfortunately no, as unethical as it is I didn't include the details about the survey being related to zoophilia. I would have preferred to have kept it as one big survey (and when I get funds to get better tools I will) but I kinda, well, freaked out and split it up.
Battlecropsdogs, cats, snakes, ungulates 2 points on 2015-04-28 00:19:19
That's understandable I think. Some folks might not agree with it but I see where you're coming from; I'm sure quite a few of them (if not most) would be very put off if they knew it was also including zoophiles.
I'd be interested to find out somehow if the zoo answers to the vet visit question have to do with fear of being found out, too. I don't have to worry about whether to go to the vet or not yet because I'm not active with any of my animals, but that might end up changing in the future once I am.
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 2 points on 2015-04-28 08:47:06
There is a set of surveys I'm interested in running at some point, but will probably never get around to. Asking the same question to a bunch of different groups, and framing it in different ways to see what the results are. "This survey is to compare [zoos|vegetarians] with the general population" on half the questionnaires, with all the questions being animal welfare related. You'd need a lot of groups to ask for it to be meaningful, of course.
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 3 points on 2015-04-28 08:49:00
I'd expect groups that thinks they are being compared to zoos to increase their care level, and those that think they are being compared to vegetarians to decrease their care level, relative to those that don't think they are being compared to anyone. But I'd also like to know how zoos and vegetarians rate themselves.
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 1 point on 2015-04-28 09:34:52
Yeah, that'd be interesting. It'd probably be fairly easy to do with the right program. Either get a list of interested contacts and randomly select half to receive the zoophile intro or have one link with the intro page randomly generated automatically.
JonasCliverMightyenas lol 2 points on 2015-04-29 15:26:51
TBH I'm concerned on the higher (i.e. non-zero) incidence of "Alpha rolls" (i.e. shaking a dog like a caught mouse). This is potentially indicative of a lack of dog education compared to breeders.
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 2 points on 2015-04-29 22:29:01
Yeah, I found that kinda concerning as well. It could be though that there was a higher incidence than reported because people didn't recognize that term. In the future I'd try to give a definition of it to help clarify.
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 2 points on 2015-04-29 22:45:26
Is that what that is? I wondered, but assumed it was pushing them onto their back, not shaking them. :(
JonasCliverMightyenas lol 1 point on 2015-04-29 15:28:25
The breeder population has a majority of dogs showing past health problems, but this is potentially due to such a small sample size.
Or inbred dogs.
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 2 points on 2015-04-29 22:26:38
Maybe, but considering that the sample size was literally six, as well as the fact that a majority of regualr owners and zoophiles obtained dogs from breeders without the same results, I think it's more to do with sample size.
/r/zoophilia archive
I still have to write up a bit more on it, but here's the first part of my survey results.
So in summary:
Zoophiles either take their dogs to the vet more often or much less often than the average pet owner. And their dogs are healthier and more well behaved than average. Interesting.
Yeah, like I mentioned in the comments I'm curious whether or not location plays into the vet thing. It kinda makes sense that if every time you took a dog to the vet it could result in them being taken away you'd avoid it, but also that you'd want the highest standard of care possible for a partner if that wasn't a risk.
Well, both sample sizes are ridiculously small (especially the breeder one)
Just out of curiosity, how did you distribute this survey? How'd you get in touch with breeders? Did they know zoos would also be taking the survey?
I posted links on dog subreddits and dog breeding forums, so basically the same ways I tried to get zoo respondents. Unfortunately no, as unethical as it is I didn't include the details about the survey being related to zoophilia. I would have preferred to have kept it as one big survey (and when I get funds to get better tools I will) but I kinda, well, freaked out and split it up.
That's understandable I think. Some folks might not agree with it but I see where you're coming from; I'm sure quite a few of them (if not most) would be very put off if they knew it was also including zoophiles.
I'd be interested to find out somehow if the zoo answers to the vet visit question have to do with fear of being found out, too. I don't have to worry about whether to go to the vet or not yet because I'm not active with any of my animals, but that might end up changing in the future once I am.
There is a set of surveys I'm interested in running at some point, but will probably never get around to. Asking the same question to a bunch of different groups, and framing it in different ways to see what the results are. "This survey is to compare [zoos|vegetarians] with the general population" on half the questionnaires, with all the questions being animal welfare related. You'd need a lot of groups to ask for it to be meaningful, of course.
I'd expect groups that thinks they are being compared to zoos to increase their care level, and those that think they are being compared to vegetarians to decrease their care level, relative to those that don't think they are being compared to anyone. But I'd also like to know how zoos and vegetarians rate themselves.
Yeah, that'd be interesting. It'd probably be fairly easy to do with the right program. Either get a list of interested contacts and randomly select half to receive the zoophile intro or have one link with the intro page randomly generated automatically.
TBH I'm concerned on the higher (i.e. non-zero) incidence of "Alpha rolls" (i.e. shaking a dog like a caught mouse). This is potentially indicative of a lack of dog education compared to breeders.
Yeah, I found that kinda concerning as well. It could be though that there was a higher incidence than reported because people didn't recognize that term. In the future I'd try to give a definition of it to help clarify.
Is that what that is? I wondered, but assumed it was pushing them onto their back, not shaking them. :(
Or inbred dogs.
Maybe, but considering that the sample size was literally six, as well as the fact that a majority of regualr owners and zoophiles obtained dogs from breeders without the same results, I think it's more to do with sample size.