According to /u/Battlecrop's survey, only about a sixth of us are zoo exclusive.
I've always been interested in horses, and for the majority of my life, I've had an interest in humans too. But recently (I would say it's been about a year) I've just lost interest in my own species. I think it comes down to mentality. I've always connected with animals more readily, and while both humans and animals can be physically attractive, I'm just not that into all of the hang-ups humans tend to have.
So for those of you who are zoo exclusive, have you always been that way? Why or why not? For those interested in both humans and animals, is there some back and forth, or is it fairly split? And non-zoophiles (Always nice to see a few of you hanging around here), if you happen to have any thoughts on the subject, feel free to chime in as well.
I've always been zoo exclusive. I just don't find humans attractive. Humans look ugly to me, and they don't have tails, manes, hooves, or paws, or even fur.
Hm, fair enough. Based on your reasoning, I'm curious; are you interested in furries? They do have the traits you've described, with the main difference being a human body shape and (Typically) human intelligence.
Yes furries turn me on, but sadly they do not exist in real life. What about you Pone?
It was definitely a phase I went through, so I get the appeal. They have a balance of animal and human traits that make them the best of both worlds, at least in some people's views.
That being said, they never quite stuck with me. Part of it (As you said) is that they're not real, and that is kind of a drag. But just like humans, I think a lot of it came down to mentality, and it just didn't click for me.
i agree that's a logical jump, though i suppose some people don't. i, too, find anthropomorphic creatures attractive (depending on the degree/type(s) of trait mixing)
I have always(to this point at least) been zoo exclusive. I have attempted to go through human relationships with expectation that feelings would just arise. That never did happen, and I am happy with my mate, so I have not been seeking that out as of this point. I figure if it happens, it'll happen. I don't anticipate it to though, but I am not limiting myself either. It can cause some issues in making friendships if you have those friends that want more, but I have become pretty good at friend-zoning people early on nowadays.
On top of that, I can recognize an attractive person by learning I suppose, but I in no way find them attractive sexually either. I actually am more repulsed.
It's not always easy to find a balance between keeping an open mind and understanding what you want, but you seem to have found it, so well done.
The repulsion is interesting to hear, since the worst I've felt is indifference. Is it the human appearance in general that you're repulsed by, or is it worsened in a context that tries to focus on making a human attractive?
I should clarify that my repulsion solely lies in the more sexual sense, focusing more on the genitalia. I don't find people in their whole sense repulsive.
Ah, that's more understandable. I wouldn't judge someone for finding humans repulsive as a whole, but on a day to day basis, I have to imagine it would get tiring pretty fast.
I go back and forth, I am attracted to some humans though not as much as I am to animals I find sexy. I often look at humans and find many aspects un attractive (as heartofthebeast said, no tail, lacking fur ect) but my biggest turn off regarding my own species is the behavior. One of the main deciding factors in my preference for animals is the amount of deception, lies, expectations,(and resiulting resentment) and judgement I receive from human partners. An animal won't judge me for the music I listen to, the clothes I wear or be disappointed when those 5 pounds I lost come back. I am free to be myself, and so are they.
People who identify as zoo-exclusive are definitely a minority within a minority. Personally, outside of experimenting with humans from time to time (mostly out of curiosity), I have been zoo-exclusive my entire life. For as long as I can remember I have never had any kind of attraction towards my own species. I cannot deny that I do enjoy the social aspects of interacting with humans, but I do not find hairless apes to be physically or sexually attractive. I remember when all of my friends were first discovering the opposite/same sex, and I never understood their fascination with other humans. I felt like an outcast because I couldn't relate. I had been around horses on and off for most of my life, but I think I was seven or eight when first I discovered just how strong my attraction actually was. I lost my virginity to an absolutely stunning mare when I was 13 and have never looked back. Horses and other equines are what make my world go around. I absolutely adore everything about them. Their behavior, the way they look, the way they smell, the way they move, all of their characteristics drive me wild. There is nothing I enjoy more than being able to give an equine pleasure. Being able to build a strong relationship with these amazing creatures is one of the most rewarding experiences of my life
I'd say I'm borderline exclusive. Although human minds/personalities can be sexy, I find human bodies boring. This doesn't mean I can't have sex with humans — they're the only sex I've ever had, but I never turn and look when a "sexy" human walks past, and porn has never lasted beyond the initial "novelty" excitement (I bought a DVD once to see what it was like, and I gave up on it almost immediately, tried again months later and found it not only un-erotic, but funny). None of the famous sex figures (Marilyn Monroe, Emma Watson, Johnny Depp, for example) do anything for me, and if other people didn't keep talking about how hot they were I'd have no idea they were even supposed to be sexy.
Thats pretty much the same for me, I occasionally find people aesthetically pleasing, but its minimal at best.
While I am attracted primarily to horses I've never felt the repulsion at humans or genders some people feel. Those feelings are not invalid, btw, just not mine.
My desires for human happyhapptfuntimes(tm) vary with the time of year and my physical and emotional health. I identify as zoosexual because all things being equal and not illegal that is where I'd prefer to go. I guess I do not find humans particularly difficult and also practice a scorched earth policy when it comes to manipulation so I can find it very enjoyable to play with them.
Humans can also be kinky in a way that I could never be with a horse. Interestingly, I find zoophiles to be very vanilla when it comes to sex.
The vanilla aspect really is something to think about. I've noticed it too, and I believe you're right; we're a deviant group, but we only tend to deviate in a very particular way.
In part, I think we are gun shy. Imagine a zoo for instance who enjoyed sadism with consenting human partners. Even if they never, not ever, would hurt a horse what would people think? Even zoos?
You have a good point there. I personally think they could be both zoo and BSDM, but some people (and maybe some zoos) would probably object to it even if there were only BSDM with humans.
When I was first coming to terms with my feelings, if I remember correctly, I thought that all kinks were fine if they were not mixed — one could either be into bestiality or BDSM (for instance), but it would be quite wrong to mix them. I can't say I understand BDSM well enough to comment on it now that I've met people who are into it.
I suppose it's also worth considering that we're zoophiles; people who love animals, rather than people who use them solely as a means of sexual gratification. There are people who use animals for humiliation, submission/domination, and even voyeurism to some extent.
So perhaps it could be argued that our general lack of kinks is inherited from our definition as zoophiles, as opposed to animal fetishists. Mixing the two is certainly possible, but they often seem to originate from two separate frames of mind, making it a rarity among rarities.
Perhaps... but for some at least, they reason the same way as me, yet find BDSM more appealing than non-human animals. I know at least one, and I think two, zoophiles who feel that way — they have no sex with animals, just human-human BDSM, as they feel even more cautious about bestiality than I do.
Well, the BDSM world is an interesting place. There are more messed up people in that world than I've ever encountered in the zoo world.
It is interesting that you say people cannot be two things at once. I guess it is possible with me being the exception. Unfortunately there can be some real clouding of the issue. Watersports, for example, it could be the act itself, the degradation, or a number of other aspects that are attractive to someone. Can I say that someone into BDSM and watersports is seeking different aspects or the same aspects in both, I guess I cannot.
First off, this is my first post!
So I'd say I'm exclusive with dogs as far as sexual attraction goes. I would be with a human in a more platonic relationship, but I get the same romantic/emotional fulfillment from relationships with dogs. It might just be from social pressures, but I do still feel that I want some sort of relationship with a human. I don't know for sure how I feel about a sexual relationship with a human though.
The social pressures certainly are interesting. They're one of the thing holding you to humans, and meanwhile, they're one of the things pushing me away.
Whatever happens, I'm sure you'll figure things out. Welcome to the sub /u/McAfterburner, it's nice to have you here.
Thanks! I'll try to show my face more often. I'm rather new to reddit in general.
Yeah, I worry that I'll confuse my own feelings for the things that people expect of me. At the very least, I know I want nothing to do with a human female. Like /u/btwIAMAzoophile said, they are nearly repulsive to me.
I know that I would not find the same kind of fulfillment with a human relationship as I would with a dog and ultimately would not desire any sort of intimate contact with a human. That said, due to my current situation I do often feel very lonely, and I think this causes me to reach out sometimes and branch out of where I feel that I belong. I have never "branched out" beyond the internet however, and have no desire to. I just don't see any dogs on a day to day basis and the lack of that interaction sometimes leaves me in a bad place mentally.
Some times things change when we least expect them to.
Oh hush you <3
For those not exclusive, or those who are but have multiple partners...
Do you feel like you are cheating on you partners? Like you are in a poly relationship? Don't feel they interfere at all? How do your human partners feel?
I'm not in a human relationship right now, but I was recently, and we're both zoo, so here's what we thought:
Both of us agreed that animal/human relationships aren't really the same as human/human relationships. Not that they're lesser, or not equal, just different. Animals don't have the same concept of relationships that we do. If I could talk directly with my animal partner, and ask her what she would think if I started dating a human, I doubt she would care. They just don't have the same idea of what a relationship is. So I don't feel like I'm being unfaithful to or cheating on my animal partner for also dating a human. It was very convenient both me and the girl I was dating agreed on that idea, haha
However, I'd always tell a human I'm going to date (if it's safe to do so, which I think it will be for me, since I don't think I want to date a non-zoo in the future, or at least not someone who doesn't already know I'm zoo) that I have an animal partner. If I was in a relationship with someone and I also had an animal partner that I didn't tell them about, I'd consider that cheating. And they probably would, too.
SO, I don't think animals can be "cheated on" since they don't think about relationships like we do, but humans definitely can. Hopefully that makes sense.
I've always felt that the relationships should be treated (and are) equivalent. I've dedicated my life to my mare just as I have to my human wife. To me it is a poly V with me at the point with all the inherent problems that might bring. It is difficult to balance because my human partner is, by nature of sleeping/working arrangements, always going to have more of my time than my marefriend. So I have to balance that with the fact that my human wife also has needs but I have to protect my marefriend's needs as well.
It hasn't always been easy. Even zoo relationships don't always get the fact that your animal partner may not care who you sleep with but does want to interact and be with you. In some ways, dog folks may have it tougher here, your animal partner will be more easily integrated in your life and more in the forefront of your human partner's mind.
I've been zoo exclusive about as long as I've been zoosexual; all my sexual experiences have been with dogs, so I suppose that's to be expected. I'm torn, though, because though I'm quite antisocial with many people, I enjoy the company of very close friends (with whom I can let my facade down), and I can get lonely when isolated (the fact that my dog lives back home several hours away doesn't help :( ); I'm just not romantically/sexually attracted to people. One the one hand, I'd like to get married in order to have a lifelong human companion, but on the other, I'm afraid that sex/romance--which seem to be expected in marriage--wouldn't come.
To be honest, up until recently I didn't even realize I was attracted to animals, lol. If you had told me three years ago that one day I would find horse ass sexy I would have laughed in your face. But ever since I embraced it, I'm amazed how much it influenced my sexuality, for example my only sexual experience so far has been outside my own species. I'm still attracted to humans of course, but now it doesn't seem as significant as before.
Was there anything in particular that broadened your horizons? It seems that the majority of zoophiles realize their attractions from a fairly early age, so I'm curious about what might cause someone to change their mind later in life.
For me, it was through My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. Watching ponies led to pony porn (I do prefer my pones anatomically correct), which led to actual horse porn, which led to 'why boner?', and thus, realization I might be into horses, which I explored. So yeah, talking pastel equines are to blame. Not that I'm complaining. =)
Your username (And flair, now that I've Googled it) did make me wonder. I haven't seen much of the show, but they did an excellent job with the character design, so I can kinda see where you're coming from.
It's worth mentioning that MLP horses are considerably different than real horses, which may be why somebody downvoted you. But as long as you understand the difference, then hey, I wouldn't complain either.
Hello Alias,
Well of course, the ponies of My Little Pony are sapient creatures; they can engage in conversation, live in houses, have occupations (usually related to their special talent), sometimes dress in clothing, and so on. I would be very surprised to see a real horse do any of those things. Well, a horse could wear clothes, but chances are a human put them on. =)
To be clear, My Little Pony was the conduit to, not the goal of, my zoophilia. Would that I could live in Equestria, but that doesn't change my feelings of wanting to have a romantic relationship with a real-life horse. I hope no one will think differently of me for being a fan of a show about colorful ponies. We all come to this place through different avenues. Mine is perhaps a bit more unusual.
Sincerely, Applejack
hopefully it will relieve you to hear that there are zoophiles who enjoy the show. lord knows there are plenty of people who don't identify as (or perhaps admit to) being zoophiles, but also enjoy MLP:FIM.
(for the curious, i'm not a fan, really)
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I came to bestiality from Yogi Bear. Don't worry, I'm more weird than you!!
I know it might sound funny, but it was My Little Pony that opened my eyes, lol. At first I was into the fandom simply because it was cute. Then I became attracted to some of the characters' personalities. Then I realized I find their eyes, their stylized manes or their voices sexy. Then I started browsing regular porn. With time, I became interested with more realistic details, like anatomically correct genitals, crotchboobs, realistic fur etc. Then I became interested in equine yiff in general, and eventually I was just attracted to actual horses IRL. Although now that I think about it, I had probably had a thing for animals waaaay before, I just didn't really realize it until I was into the brony fandom, lol.
I find that interesting, because I like animals, and I like clop, but I hate realistic details in clop: crotch-boobs, "overly"-correct genitals, ponies stylized to have more horse-like proportions... yuck. It's like how I'm only a little attracted to humans, very attracted to animals, but not attracted at all to anthro furry art.
At first I wasn't much into it either, but it grew on me. Many cloppers agree that things like crotchtits or vulvar winking are aquired taste. To be honest, now I hate when ponies are drawn with realistic human genitals. Flabby inner lips or a tiny protruding clit on a mare are a complete turn off to me. It is either generic minimalistic "cartoon vag" or full-on horse genitals (althought when given a choice I always prefer the latter - puffy equine labias are very erotic to me).
I like teats and crotchboobs myself, but don't mind if they're not included. I also don't like human genitalia on my ponies (more turn-off than turn-on honestly), I much prefer anatomically correct horse bits. I love ponut.
I'm okay with lack of crotchboobs, but I always prefer when they are there, without them mare just looks less feminine to me (although lack of teats altogether is still better than huge humanlike Milky Way style boobs) And yes, pony anuses are best anuses!
I personally have come to the realization that sex with other people has always felt awkward and weird to me. Maybe I'm just sexually dysfunctional, but with the several partners I've had in my life, I can't remember one where the sex was actually satisfying. It certainly does not help I have the greatest attraction to a rather rare type of person (traps; or feminine-looking males that can crossdress as girls).
I've not had sex with a mare yet, but somehow I feel it would be freeing and honest. I have to consider I am deluding myself and that I may be suffering from an underlying problem, but until I do have sex with a mare (preferably one I have come to care for and love), I cannot know for sure.
I'm largely asexual towards humans because of my own body. If we assume/pretend/roleplay that I have different genitals then I'm sexually attracted to humans as well as animals. As is, the only penis I want near my junk is a dog's. My sexuality is stupid.
Doesn't sound stupid to me, just yours. There is something to be said for being proud to be you.
Thinking back, yeah I've always been this way. I remember in high school everyone going crazy about the girls whereas I was indifferent. I figured I'd grow into it. It was when I got to college and then university I thought, maybe I just dont like the girls I have a chance with. So I worked my ass off getting fit with the hopes that when I can pull a good looking girl I'd be more attracted to her. Imagine my disappointment when that didnt work, lol. Had sex a few times and it was just a massive effort. I was still trying to suppress the zoo thoughts at this time but always drifted back to the porn I had and found it leagues ahead of even real sex.
I can still see the beauty in women, just as normies can see the beauty of a nice dog. but I cant view women sexually and thats not a white knighty kind of thing either, when I see a woman, I feel nothing. When I see a dog on the other hand, oh jeez, its just a rush even looking at one, let alone if I'm able to go up and pet them. Its been a good day if I'm able to pet a dog. Also afterwards when your hand smells of dog...so good (sorry, pet owners :P ).
I'm suprised zoo exclusives are the minority. If a lot of zoophiles love both animals and women, I'm willing to bet that theres a lot more people than we currently think who primarily love women but also love animals, but wouldnt (or dont want to) call themselves zoophiles. I guess its easier to suppress the zoo in you if you also love women...?
Almost certainly. Consider how large the gap is between men who call themselves "gay" or "bi" (1-2% each) and the number who admit to having sex with other men (more like 8-16%).
Interesting point. I've always wondered where the gay 10% went. I know a lot of folks and with my stands on both equality and gay activism I should know a few who are openly gay. I realize there are a lot of external factors keeping the groups separate just like there is for us.
well, I mean, its not gay if the balls dont touch :P
but seriously, thats really interesting. I'd be interested to know if these people would support us, or (like there has been in the LGBT crowd) be vehemently against us because of their internal conflict.
I'd expect them to be against for that exact reason, unfortunately.
I wonder if the current haters are just describing their own masturbatory fantasies when they say why they want it banned? It could easily be more complex than that, but it's a thought.
I'm not zoo-exclusive; I'm attracted to humans and animals equally, both sexually and romantically. My ideal perfect situation would be to have both an animal partner/s and a human partner, so all my emotional and physical needs for both types of relationships would be fulfilled. I personally need somebody I can talk to about my day, have discussions with, share emotions verbally with, take out to dinner, vent to when I have a rough time, etc etc. Emotionally and mentally I need a human partner too, as well as an animal one. Even though I can't fully understand it myself, I know zoo-exclusive folks have all their emotional needs met with an animal partner. Sometimes I wish I was that way, it'd sure make dating a lot easier huh?!
Interesting discussion about kink here, too. I'm very kinky and into BDSM, with humans only- I don't think animals can consent to that kind of thing and also I just can't imagine being attracted to an animal in that context. So the only way my kinks could be expressed, too, would be with humans. Hopefully I'll find a nice balance someday in the future where I can have both a human and an animal partner and all will be well.
zoo-exclusive here. i have always been that way. you could possibly chalk it up to how unattractive i am by society's standards, the fact that i'm socially awkward, shy, etc., but the fact of the matter is i have never found humans sexy. there are some humans i recognize as attractive, but i have no interest in anything sexual nor even romantic with a human. that said, i DO (despite being introverted and reclusive) need human interaction. i'm very fortunate to be (as long as all goes according to plan) getting a zoo roommate before the year is done, and that will be the best situation i can hope for - a human i can relate to so very well, with a shared interest in/attraction to non-humans (he's also exclusive). we can share raising/training/upkeep costs/duties with the animal(s) we have and it's a very win-win scenario.
good luck! I'm jealous, that sounds pretty much like the perfect arrangement.
I like you. LOL I always love a bearzoo! Glad to see you're back. I can relate to a lot of what you say here. That is so wonderful...
yeah, i guess i haven't been taking time to reply to threads as much, now that i think about it, but i've been here reading.
saw a couple of big beautiful bears yesterday at a zoo, coincidentally...
I just kind of though of zoo exclusives to be kind of like asexuals but with the added attraction to animals if that makes sense. Some zoo-exclusives have mentioned romantic attraction to humans but most seem to have only platonic feelings for humans, so many seem to be sort of like armonatics as well with the exception of animals. Though I do not want to come off the wrong way, they are just as valid as any other orientation, this is just kind of how I make sense of it in my head.
I find at least those exclusives I have asked that would have romantic relations do not seem to understand exactly what that means* and describe closer to queer platonic (which is basically a very close freindship), though I have not talked with many zoo exlusives specificly about it so I have a very bias sample as far as that measure goes.
*basically romantic and sexual attraction go hand in hand for most, but for people like asexuals and those who have romantic and sexual orientations that do not line up (ie heterosexual, but homoromantic, etc) it is an important difference. Romantic attraction is basically all that stuff before sex, like cuddling and saying "I love you" and getting the warm fuzzies, and sexual attraction is mostly being 'turned on' by something, but anyway I am straying from the topic a bit.
I would be equal with humans and animals, if I could afford to keep the animal of my choice most likely. But, for now, it's mostly humans. For me, I could never be human or zoo exclusive. There are pros and cons to dating both and they weigh pretty evenly. If I had to choose one, I'd be missing something fundamental to me being happy in whatever relationship I'm in.