Agreed.

@T-V:You contradict yourself within two posts. You said "without the owner´s permission or knowledge", one post later, you try to change the definition by intoducing the harm principle while admitting the "action" took place without the owner´s knowledge or consent. It doesn´t matter if harm was inflicted or not, the relevant fact is that efoxx did it without the owner´s knowledge and explicit consent.Please don´t try to change definitions ad libenter, there´s nothing to discuss about fencehopping and what exactly it is .

There are two main causes for exposure and , resulting from that, negative headlines regarding zoophilia and bestiality: the first is uploading selfmade animal porn that can be traced back to it´s originators and the other is stupid actions with other people´s animals (e.g.: fencehopping). Remember that owners usually know their animals and probably will sense every little change in their behavior. Sexual actions with animals who are "virgins" to human sexual advances can cause rapid change in behavior. Sooner or later, questions will arise and danger of exposure increases exponentially.

The term fencehopping never aimed solely at hopping over real fences, it referred to hopping over the metaphorical "fence" of betraying the trust of the animal´s owner. It´s comparable to stealing: no one would say "Well, it isn´t stealing because the thief refrained from beating up anyone". This kind of apologetic murmur is totally counterproductive for raising tolerance of zoophilia; people will never accept that their animals will turn into "targets" for self proclaimed "zoophiles" who obviously have no respect for property. Zoos with morals will never fencehop; recall the zeta rules, especially this one: "Always place the wellbing of an animal before your own sexual gratification". With everything than can happen to the animal that has been fencehopped on, from violence to discard the newly developed, unwanted behavior to putting the animal down, fencehopping isn´t ethical and far from a genuine "zooishness". Just imagine a stallion who is "visited" at night: He gets the imprint that he can mate with those strangelooking bipedals. What do you think will happen, when he tries to jump onto his unprepared owner ? From my 20 years of experience as a riding instructor I can tell you where this stallion most likely will end...he´ll be put down as an "uncontrollable horse" endangering everyone around him. Just because some egoistic fool couldn´t pay enough respect to other people´s property, a horse loses his life. How "zooish" is that,huh?