Zoo subs quarantined (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2015-08-21 11:17:26 by [deleted]
Hello,
As I'm sure many of you have seen, /r/sexwithdogs and /r/sexwithhorses have been quarantined by the admins.
While it doesn't surprise me, it does place this community in the firing line. There's nothing we can do except stay together. We must be kind and compassionate towards each other, more now than ever.
I've berated you several times before, about the way we treat each other, and I'm doing that for the last time, right now. Please, be civil, and treat others as you'd like to be treated. It's simple and cliché, I know, but we're hardly a community without it.
~ T-V
Only the friendship and the sympathy / Of one about to reach her journey's end.
I like how they missed the subreddit literally called /r/bestiality.
This is unfortunate. I think users here should slowly start dripping to voat.co instead. I hope they'll be more tolerant of us.
voat is hosted in Switzerland and bestiality is illegal there, the voat subs has to be discussion only.. I think 8ch.net/zoo is the best option to discuss and post porn freely right now, hopefully that community will keep going for a long time
Who gives a fuck about porn. Porn is the reason you guys are in trouble anyway
Edit: down voting me doesn't make it not true.
Porn is the only outlet to satisfy zoo desires when an actual animal is not feasible. There's nothing wrong with porn so long as the animal is not being harmed, right?
I think there are more appropriate places for porn despite the validity of your point.
Right and wrong. You are correct in that there is nothing wrong with viewing and enjoying porn.
However, the production and distribution of bestiality porn is counterproductive to a pro zoophilia movement.
When you make a porno and, worse, share it on the Internet, you put you and your animals in the firing line for being convicted and having your animals displaced or disposed of. The animals involved have no say in this matter, its all selfish human action so they can get some free kudos on the internet.
There are zoophiles, and there are people who get off fucking animals or watching animals fuck people. Whether they act, are curious, or just like watching, these groups should be exclusive from each other if you ever want to have a chance in the eye if the public.
Ive been saying this for years and the porn subs being quarantined are just proof that they shouldnt exist in the first place.
Every arrest I've seen since I can remember has been because people have made porn and shared it.
Every controversy has been about something that's been filmed or used for profit or exploited in some way.
We as a species have a hard enough time managing porn with humans in a way that's not exploitative, damaging and dangerous to participants and values of impressionable people watching... why should we think bestiality porn won't cause even more problems and debate when the participants can't even tell us what their working conditions are like?
Their "working conditions" are generally filmed.
That said, I get your point, but you are practicing quite a bit of "blame the victim." Yes, it's stupid and shouldn't be done in this day and age, but that's the modern era we live in, and it's flawed. It shouldn't be that way.
We're not going to change the world, people are not generally wired to like zoophilia. The laws will not change because 30, 100 or a thousand zoophiles march on Washington. And good luck getting more than that.
Now all that said, we should instead be teaching people how to be careful and how to create a better image of zoophilia so that maybe one day the laws will soften. Right now a lot of people view it as a secret online group that rapes animals and films it.
Victim blaming? Sure, I honestly don't mind you saying that's what I'm doing... if it makes a few more people just a little more careful.
I don't share your depressing outlook. It looked just as dire for several groups 100 years ago. Need I make a list?
But it's your right... and I'm certainly not going to march on anywhere, so I'm fairly talking out of my ass too. I'm just speaking my mind.
Yes it did. And as time went on, tolerance grew for those groups, but that is not the case for Zoophilia.
Over the last century, hell over the last 20 years as technology grew and more people LEARNED zoophiles were a thing in the real world, there have been more and more opposition to your rights.
This isnt about optimism and pessimism, this is about numbers and facts.
Similar pushbacks were initially attempted for gays, interracial marriage, you name it. People discovered it was a thing, pushed back at them HARD, and that's generally the thing that led to the movement in the first place. They pushed too hard and these people were finally motivated to speak up.
This is a common, well-identified trend. I even have an old chart from a textbook illustrating it. Just because it has not happened for zoophilia yet, does not mean it won't happen. If anything, we haven't been pushed hard enough yet to trigger a revolution of sorts to foster understanding.
I'm not sure it will happen in my lifetime either. But I would not be so fast to rule it out. There are groups that have been accepted in the past and are not now, there are groups that aren't accepted now and will be accepted in the future. Don't be so quick to assume just because something has not happened, it won't. Things are always in flux, and if anything, I'd say (as a historical major) we're already well on the way to a hard battle that will lead to eventual equality. It's a question of the trigger, the cost, and the timeframe. But it's not a question of "if" in my mind at all.
Ignorance shouldn't be excused by sympathy. I feel bad these people that get caught but it is still their fault.
I'm not sure. I hesitate to blame anyone for what I believe should not be an inherent crime in the first place...
But I don't know. It certainly isn't something I'd advise either.
I agree that it shouldnt be a law to begin with, the fact of the matter is, that there are laws against it and those who CHOOSE to ignore these laws and commit the "crime" should be prepared to take every security precaution necessary to ensure they don't get caught.
Its not just Zoophilia, i dont believe marijuana should be criminalized, yet there are people serving a significant portion of their lives behind bars in states where it is now legal because of a dumb law in a fragile era of human civilization.
Yeah, something in me just cries out against it. I understand what you are saying though, I'm just sympathetic but I hardly advise it in any way shape or form.
While im glad you share the same sentiment i just wanted to add: not all arrests are the result of porn. I have seen plenty that are the result of ignorance in other areas, such as accidentally leaving a voice mail then admitting to the act to authorities or actually being caught red handed in the act.
Porn tracing back to the makers is a significant chunk in the prosecution though.
Has this sub experienced any intolerance at all? I'm seriously confused why people are pushing a moderately active sub a very well visited site to further fragment this community just because some people are worried that this sub will be quarantined or whatever. Most people who read and post here from what I've seen don't really enjoy the porn and so what if they do, the porn subs are not banned, you just need to make a quick free gmail account if you really want to look at them.
Doing a bit of looking around, it seems that /r/GayZoo was also banned.
that's hilariously halfassed that they only got those three
I mean, would you prefer they be more thorough? I'm just pissed with the quarantine fucking up the layout of the sub. It breaks the stylesheet, and it prevents everyone including the moderators from knowing the number of subscribers. I've no idea how big SWD is, and now I'm not allowed to know just HOW the quarantine is affecting the sub. If you modify the CSS to put it back to normal, the admins have already stated they will ban the sub outright.
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And now TV deleted his account?
Sad day. I guess I was more surprised reddit let us be here this long than about the idea of them locking us away however... It's sad but it's not a surprise. I'd miss TV more than this sub, if I'm being honest.
Peace everyone...
wtf, i didn't notice 'til i saw your post. that's very sad. :(
Wow, I wonder why he left now :( I'll really miss him being around.
I don't know if we'll be quarantined or not since we don't actually post anything except discussion...?
People take this kind of stuff really personally.
You shouldn't really, you have to understand that many normal, nice people find bestiality really gross, and this site has a commercial interest to maintain. /r/zoophilia most likely won't get quarantined because it's just non-invasive discussion, and even if it does... so what, email addresses are easy and free to make.
My biggest concern is how quarantining screws of the CSS. Otherwise, spot on. I hope reddit will address the CSS thing in an update.
So but, wouldn't you folks all agree that those were primarily porn subs and not discussion subs. I can guarantee you we've been on the list of suggestions from the start(because I saw several lists) is it possible that pure discussion forums are not going to get quarantined?
Maybe not, I am hopeful until the ax falls.
Well, Reddit is American, and I'm told often and loudly that freedom of speech trumps everything short of treason in the States. If we keep to plain text, we should be fine.
While I doubt this sub is any danger unless people start posting porn here, this is a common misnomer that people cite on reddit.
Reddit is a private entity, and laws of free speech only apply on a legal level. If the administration here decided that they want to ban all discussion of dishwashers, they could. If we don't like it, we're free to leave and make a new site. What freedom of speech means is that nobody can stop us from making a new website that can discuss dishwashers, we're protected. Now if dishwasher enthusiasts will flock to our site and make it success, that's another matter.
Beat me too it re: "freedom". However it is a public service and for the same reasons you cannot refuse to bake a cake just because it's a black, interracial, or homosexual couple might also apply here. I personally wouldn't fight that battle but...
I also agree with other comments about people being unfortunately frightened or panicky about the situation. The "worst" of the zoo subs have only been quarantined... that's it. I feel zero threat here. It may be annoying as all fuck to get labeled and ostracized, if that even happens to /r/zoophilia, but that's about it.
I guess my biggest concern is that new folks will have more trouble finding their way here. The ones most in need of help and with the most troubling questions.
deletes account.
WTF. Way to sperg out.
Sorry, I'm blunt but to take this so personally is immature and poor leadership. A lot of people looked up to you TV, you should have kept it together and not lost your shit because some porn subs had some minor restrictions put on them. By deleting your account, you're showing how important really lousy animal sex videos are to you, and by association, the community.
If there was another reason you left, you should have discussed it so people wouldn't think you're falling apart over the animal porn subs.
I was privy to some info re his account deletion.
I can't say what's going on as I'm not certain what I am/am not allowed to share, but I can say he has his reasons for deleting his account and they aren't really related to the quarantines.
Then the timing looks really bad, he should have waited a few weeks. it looks like a ragequit when a lot of people are feeling anxiety about imagined threats.
From what little I know, it seems more a "straw that broke the camel's back" situation than anything else.
TV's life is a lot more than just maintaining this community on reddit, and sometimes things get to the point where one has to pick priorities. You know that this was an important thing to TV, so that may give an idea of some of the gravity of some of the things TV is going through.
That's understandable and fine, I just think the timing was poor without a comment that alluded to this fact. It makes it seem contrary to his parting message of solidarity.
I know it does, but if you knew what was happening I'm sure it'd be understandable. I'd try to stick to his message, despite all that.
Godspeed, T-V. I'll miss you and I'm not the only one, but I understand.
This is Alias the Short Christmas Horse, signing off until things cool down.