I'm Scared That I Will Get Shock Therapy (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2015-10-20 03:25:11 by 000MobianTheAngel000 Warthogs need love too

I rather ask zoosexuals/zoophiles about this then r/depression and r/suicide for many obvious reasons. Note: I am female and I'm a zoosexual.

My college experience has been crap after the month of being living on campus, I had extreme anxiety and panic attacks over the past weeks from just discussion about sex and inter-species relationships. These attacks get really gruesome to the point I been avoiding my classes due to the fear of ridicule of the subject "sex", being that sex is something I cherish personally.

One instant in particular, in my intro to literature today the teacher asked us to write a summery based on the Blackfoot Tribe religion, which at one point in me reading through there was a section is a human women who wanted to marry a buffalo and how the author explains a bit about the human and animal relationships in different cultures. I didn't read much about it because I was in the verge of tears; being reminded of how I would get beaten, called "animal molester" and such as well as how people still to this day tend to respond to the thought.

I had a discussion with my mother and decided that I was going to drop out and go back home and get in therapy and go under medication (which I will be leaving the grounds on Saturday. That is 4 days from now where I live). Even though over the years I have grown to hate the idea therapy, the constant attacks and pain was becoming too much to handle. Over the years of growing up I had to deal with them. I also tried the counselling thing once in high-school and all that women did was ask be if I had "access" to animals and very personal questions that did nothing but made me feel uncomfortable which resulted me to never want to do it again. I know not all therapists are like that but I'm still afraid. I did not want to tell anyone but it got to the point that my education and adult life was being ruined because of my attacks and I couldn't afford to continue in the status I was in any longer.

I fear that explaining my reasoning for my anxiety and panic attacks will make them force me into shock therapy or treatment for my zoosexuality as they call it. I do not want that, I don't want to be changed of my beliefs, remove myself from the ones I love, and especially my zoosexuality (or force into the fear and belief that it's wrong to be that way), but I don't know what to do.

Has any zoos been into therapy or had medical help for whatever reason and did it end up being horrible

Yes there is not telling them, but I will not get anywhere into fixing what plagues me if I'm not truthful about what has been going on with me.

I honestly hadn't received very nice comments when I was on this subbreddit in the past but I really am scared and want a little insight on what to expect and I have no where else to turn.

DanielArtaxes Gay|Furry|Libertarian|Zoosexual 5 points on 2015-10-20 04:17:24

You should only be treated for anxiety & depression. This will involve going on medication. Probably an antidepressant and a fast acting anti anxiety. They can't force you into something like shock therapy and if they try to "treat" your zoophillia just find a different doctor.

000MobianTheAngel000 Warthogs need love too 3 points on 2015-10-20 04:22:43

Ok, thank you very much.

myloverhasfur Canidae 1 point on 2015-10-20 05:49:52

Here's my experience: I've only ever seen one therapist, and overall it was a good experience. Personally, I believe that having sex with an animal is wrong (and that's based on belief in a fundamental difference between humanity and other animals--I don't have any issue with consent, etc.), so it'd be much easier if I wasn't attracted to animals. But, for the moment, I am. I tried to follow my therapist's instruction, and have come to the conclusion that yes, with enough patience, you can suppress lustful thoughts about animals. However, that doesn't necessarily change your attractions. I won't go as far as to say that sexuality is permanent, but it is persistent, and since I have no desire to even encourage sexual thought towards people, my attraction hasn't changed. But it's just an attraction, and even if having sex with an animal is wrong, that doesn't mean that being attracted to animals is. I've ended up at the point where I've ceased, for the most part, being anxious about the attraction simply because I don't know any way to fix it. Not obsessing over it I can deal with, even if it's hard, so I've focused my attention to that. I think that as long as both you and your therapist agree on what you can expect to change and what you can't, it can go well.

000MobianTheAngel000 Warthogs need love too 2 points on 2015-10-20 06:30:12

I dont have any problem with my love and attraction to animals and sex with any creature in general, nor am I having dificulty with sexual urges. It is what makes me happy and have a sense of peace. My issue is that I have terrible ptsd and anxity over things that I know shouldn't bother me like those against zoosexuality since I dont believe it's wrong at all. And it's causing me to stuggle with college/work life and I want to resolve it. I dont have a problem with my zoosexuality thus have no intent to change myself of that, I just want to have more self-esteem of myself so I can get a good education and be able to support myself. So I hope I can change my anxiety attacks and not my love and enjoyment of bonding.

myloverhasfur Canidae 1 point on 2015-10-20 14:21:00

In that case, I think seeing a therapist could turn out well.

ursusem 3 points on 2015-10-22 06:56:55

I'm curious as to why you think having sex with an animal is wrong.

myloverhasfur Canidae 1 point on 2015-10-22 15:12:40

Well, I'm a follower of Jesus Christ, and I believe that 1) human beings were created in God's image, set apart from the rest of the animals, and that 2) sex and marriage were, from the beginning, sacred institutes, not merely biological functions. Having sex with an animal, then, is bringing a creature that has not been set apart into a sacred relationship, thereby defiling the relationship.

ursusem 2 points on 2015-10-22 18:19:46

Okay, so you're religious. Of course we should not make laws based upon religious beliefs otherwise we would be living under a theocracy and there would be no "freedom of religion." You should also be able to live your life as you believe is right and if you think a thing is wrong because God said it was wrong then no one should force you to do what you feel is wrong. We have no actual evidence that there is such a thing as 'God' however. At the same time I don't believe that we can actually disprove God's existence either. I hope the gods of Christianity, Judaism and Islam are not real. Also, are you saying that non-human creatures are inferior beings because, unlike humans, they were not created specially? My how grand it must be that your species- and only your species- was designed so that they would be the image of Divinity! Man, I think I would much rather "degrade" myself by bunkering up with the Inferiors and the Untouchables than put up with some arrogant bullshit like that- even if it is actually true and we humans were designed that way! I too believe that marriage is sacred and for me I desire to have such a sacred relationship with another species because other species are very special people to me and I think very highly of them. I hate with a burning passion any god that creates one kind of creature to be inherently more "superior" than all the rest.

myloverhasfur Canidae 3 points on 2015-10-23 01:33:03

Of course we should not make laws based upon religious beliefs otherwise we would be living under a theocracy and there would be no "freedom of religion."

I agree. I don't think bestiality should be categorically illegal like it is many places.

Also, are you saying that non-human creatures are inferior beings because, unlike humans, they were not created specially?

I'll put it this way. I believe that people have a higher calling than animals. I also value human life over animal life. But I believe that all life is important, and I love other species very much. Even though I believe that humanity is set apart, I don't think that gives us the right to be arrogant; after all, it isn't any of our doing.

ursusem 1 point on 2015-10-23 04:40:54

What would be the "higher calling" as you put it of humans?

myloverhasfur Canidae 1 point on 2015-10-23 05:51:09

In short, to follow His commands, one of the first of which is, in essence, to care for and be good stewards of this earth. The greatest two commandments, though, are to love God and to love people.

larblac 1 point on 2015-10-27 05:43:30

The greatest two commandments, though, are to love God and to love people.

Being an atheist and a misanthrope makes it pretty difficult to adhere to such commandments. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ursusem 1 point on 2015-10-27 06:28:14

That's fine for you to believe. But I don't think the god of the Christians- the Bible God- is very trustworthy. So I don't like him. That's my two cents on him.

ThrowwwayGurl 8 points on 2015-10-20 07:47:07

Hi, I'm a female who grew up having and hiding a zoophilic relationship and while I never went through some of what you're dealing with, I do know a little about conflicted feelings, confusion and fear that I'll be "normal" because of what I did and felt.

I'll say right off, that it did get better. I'm not a practicing zoophile anymore but I have a wonderful life with someone who knows my secret and loves me anyway, and I have no more regrets or worry about my attractions past or present. It took a long time but I learned how to balance it with my normal life and it became a source of strength rather than fear. I sincerely hope you can see this light at the end of the tunnel, and I know college is an extremely confusing time to be trying to figure yourself out with tons of pressure from boys and girls alike to fit into some kind of expected role.

I didn't go to therapy at the time, but I was very depressed at times and looking back, I wish I was brave enough to go through with it then when I needed it the most.

Now knowing what I know about therapy, I want to pass a few things on to you:

Your therapist should be making you feel better about yourself and it is their job to give you the tools to cope better with emotions and feelings that you cannot handle, using a combination of techniques and possibly medications to help you manage overwhelming feelings and loss of control. I can't stress this enough. If your therapist is not making you feel better, you need a new therapist. It's your right to "shop around" until you find someone who you feel safe with.

Also, nobody is going to shock you. Electric current type therapy is actually still used in some extreme cases where a patient cannot function normally because of a physiological condition, but it's not like the movies anymore and it's a carefully targeted procedure. There are no forced physical or electrical lobotomies performed on girls who can't behave anymore. If ANYONE says otherwise, get away from that person immediately.

The only other things I can say are a few pointers I think you need to read and repeat to yourself:

  1. Accept and love this part of yourself. Indulge in your thoughts and fantasies in your own time, in your own way without guilt or shame. What you feel is your business and yours alone. Nobody can take fantasies, thoughts and pleasurable feelings away from you. You're not hurting anyone or anything so don't allow the imagined judgement of others to hurt you.

  2. Discontinue talking about or considering talking about zoosexuality with anyone other than a very trusted and understanding therapist that you have a good relationship with, and even then only if absolutely necessary. If your therapist does not make you feel comfortable, you find a new one. You say you don't want anyone to force you into believing it's wrong or trying to take it away from you, so hold onto that. That tells me that your anxiety and terror has more to do with a general condition than a specific facet of your sexuality. You're not obligated to tell your therapist or anyone else anything past "Sexual thoughts give me panic attacks." They won't force anything out of you if they're professional. And again, if they make you uncomfortable, you should find someone else.

  3. Consider the possibility that your anxiety disorder may NOT be related to your zoophilia. It may be, but there is also a strong possibility that it has deeper roots in your childhood that need to be addressed before you can start healing. It may be possible that the problem you think you have is only a symptom of something else. There are lots of zoophiles who have gone on to lead very happy and rewarding lives no matter where they fall on the wide spectrum.

  4. Did I say it gets better? It gets better. Look forward to the time when you have your own life, and can live the way you want and love whoever or whatever you want without answering to anyone about what goes on in your own head. Imagine that freedom, make that your goal and reward.

  5. Don't over indulge in horror stories you may read about people being abused or jailed for their sexuality. Actively manage how you think and the things you think about.

If you want to chat, send me a PM.

Susitar Canidae 5 points on 2015-10-20 08:30:23

I have brought up zoophilia with some therapists. Because I too, was feeling depressed for being something people consider so horrible.

Anyway, as others have already pointed out, you don't need to tell them about zoophilia. You can choose to either wait and bring it up after some sessions, or not bring it up at all. You can mention having sexual fantasies that others might consider strange, and if the therapist asks about details, it's always all right to say "sorry, that's too intimate for me to share".

In my own experience, I feel actual psychologists/psychiatrists are better at accepting zoophilia, or at least, to treat the bad stuff (depression/anxeity) and not trying to treat zoophilia. But with random counselors with other backgrounds, it's more of a gamble. Not that they will force you to shock therapy, mind you, more that they might say things that are well-meaning but come off as inconsiderate (such as your experience with counselling in high school). Get to a proper psychologist with a degree, who works in a professional setting. And if it doesn't work out, you can always change your therapist. As you can hear, I've "shopped around" quite a lot before I found one that I felt really helped!

While zoophilia and the prejudice towards zoos can be heavy loads to carry, I think that having the rest of your life in balance helps. If you are a person who is easily stressed out, maybe you can work with that with a therapist, and it will also help with coping with these feelings?

zoozooz 2 points on 2015-10-20 12:19:57

force me into shock therapy or treatment for my zoosexuality

I am not a lawyer, but I am pretty sure that they can't legally do it. The fear is not completely irrational. In Hani Miletski's book "Understanding Bestiality and Zoophilia" one Zoo reported:

— “ ...I was talking with one (therapist)... and the first thing he wanted to do was lock me up for about a week for observation... I know of at least three people... who have been locked up, treated to electroshock therapy, drug therapy, and all that, just because they admitted that yes, they were a zoo...”

and just yesterday I read this comment in /r/ainbow in regards to "gay conversion therapy":

This is the white-washed conversational version of conversion therapy. The men I spoke with have harsher memories of electro-shock therapy, rape, physical abuse, deprivation techniques, and aversion therapy.

So in the past these things did happen. But as I said I do not believe they can happen legally today. If anyone tries to force you into something like that you should nope the fuck out and see whether you can anonymously report them somewhere.

I have never been in therapy, but I can copy&paste a bit about this from Miletski's book:

About half of the 41 men (21=51%) who have been in psychotherapy told their psychotherapists they have had sex with animals. Question 65 asked about the psychotherapists’ reactions upon finding out their clients/patients had sex with animals. Eleven of these 21 men (52%) reported they experienced negative reactions. Seven men (33%) experienced a neutral reaction, and five men (24%) reported they experienced positive reactions from their psychotherapists (the total is more than 100% since several men related different reactions from the different therapists they saw).

The following are examples of what the 11 men who experienced negative reactions from their psychotherapists related —

— “ Sometimes I felt like a lab rat. (Had to) end my last therapy because my therapist tried to force me stopping. My experiences with ‘professional’ therapists were mostly negative, in fact so bad that my last one nearly drove me into suicide.”

— “ He thought I was joking and laughed.” And —

— “ I told the therapist that I was a zoophile. He didn’ t know what a zoophile was. I left minutes later.”

The following are examples of what the seven men who reported they experienced a neutral reaction from their psychotherapists related —

— “ He had no problem with it.” And —

— “ One therapist called a lawyer to find out if she had to report my contact — lawyer said zoophilia victimless and reporting not necessary (in CA).”

The following is an example of what one of the five men who reported they experienced positive reactions from their psychotherapists related —

“ He was very curious and understanding. Not once did he bring up the issue that I ‘had’ to change who I was. He said it was more important that I be happy with myself.” (This participant, however, reported he had a total of five psychotherapists).

Since most of the men went to more than one psychotherapist, the professionals’ reactions varied. For instant, participant A=1 related: “ First one tried to ‘cure’ me. Others said it was no problem.” And participant G=7 reported his psychotherapists “ didn’ t know how to handle it in three out of four cases.” Only two women (33%) out of the six who have been in psychotherapy told their psychotherapists they have had sex with animals. Neither had a negative experience. One woman related: “ Two of them were neutral. Other two didn’ t know.” The other woman related that her psychotherapist’ s reaction was “ Puzzlement since I was her first zoo, then acceptance.”

Surprisingly, only about half of the 41 men and only two women out of the six who had been in psychotherapy told their psychotherapists they have had sex with animals. Eleven of these 21 men reported they experienced negative reactions from their psychotherapists. Particularly noteworthy, some participants reported their therapists lacked knowledge of zoophilia, laughed upon hearing their client was having sex with animals, or tried to force their clients to stop having sex with animals.

This is not to discourage you, but to encourage you: You had a bad experience, and I believe that is because the woman you went to was bad at her job. As these examples show, you are not the only one who had bad experiences with psychotherapists, but they also show that if you search around for one who is good at his/her job, you are likely to find one without too much trouble.

furvert_tail Equine, large canid 3 points on 2015-10-20 16:00:36

I've told two therapists about my sexuality, after a lot of support and pressure from my human girlfriend.

The first was found specially by her, because I had suffered a breakdown after the government of Denmark announced they would ban bestiality. My girlfriend looked for a zoo-safe therapist specifically for me.

The second was a sex-and-relationship couples therapist that she found for us, which she found because neither of us was particularly happy with our sex life. It took a while before I was comfortable telling him that I was a zoo, that my attraction to humans is limited to my ability to fetishise random things, that I've never get turned on just looking at a human. My girlfriend put a lot of pressure on me to come out to him, and I was terrified.

Both of these councillors are quite comfortable with me. They've helped me be more comfortable with what I am, and have spontaneously made comparisons to what it had been like to be gay 100 years ago and suggested I read "Perv" by Jesse Bering. But, despite the pressure from my girlfriend, I was only comfortable talking about it with him after I anonymously asked his organisation if I could safely discuss it.

My girlfriend spontaneously suggested adding "Z" to LGBT. She's absolutely not zoo herself — she's about as vanilla as you get and allergic to dogs.

Kynophile Dog lover 6 points on 2015-10-20 19:56:28

In dealing with depression, anxiety, family issues, etc., I've been to a few therapists over the years. This isn't a representative sample by any means, but I'll just give a brief synopsis of each, from worst to best.

  • One refused to see me again, asking that I find a specialist and get my medication changed.
  • Two have basically ignored the subject after I told them, focusing on other issues that are more basic.
  • One was very intellectually curious, and would engage me in long conversations about it that kept far away from the emotional parts for me.
  • One thanked me for my trust and was understanding, and said that he felt a spiritual connection with the German Shepherds he raised, though not a sexual one.
  • One I was afraid to tell as she was more my mother's therapist than mine. However, when I was having trouble, my mother told her about it with the understanding that she tell no one else (confidentiality is a boon here). Over later conversations, she said that she didn't agree with it, and has pushed slightly for me to date and interact with people, but overall she views it as no problem if I don't harm anyone and treat my partner with respect and kindness, no matter their species.

Your fears are difficult, and I've had to deal with them myself. The most important thing here is to find someone you feel comfortable with, get to know each other a little, and only tell them when you're ready. If they get too pushy or defensive, they're not for you and you're free to find someone else. They're also legally required not to tell anyone about it if you haven't harmed anyone and aren't likely to. There's little need to worry.

P.S. I remember you from before, and I think a lot of the negative comments had to do with other aspects of your identity, which are outliers even here. I hope you have a better experience this time.

000MobianTheAngel000 Warthogs need love too 1 point on 2015-10-23 01:44:56

Thanks :)

000MobianTheAngel000 Warthogs need love too 2 points on 2015-10-23 01:43:37

Thanks for all the support, I really appreciate it! :) If I went to reply to each response it would take forever... After having a really...uncomfortable talk with my mother about whether or not I was staying at the college or coming home and getting therapy, I ended up concluding to her that I will not be moving back nor taking therapy and that I was going to keep attending college.

It was a tough decision but I'm hoping to find it in myself to power through the rough and touchy subjects in class and ignore the individuals and their words that may go against my beliefs and continue towards finishing my degree and moving on in life.

I using Knotty.me again and hopefully if I have any problems concerning zoophilia I can get some reassurance.

Katodog9 Canis familiaris 1 point on 2015-10-31 20:26:35

I personally haven't had much luck with therapy, but I know people who have. I wouldn't worry about ECT, they can't force you to have it and they only do it in extreme cases where patients don't respond to typical treatment. Even if you did have it it wouldn't do anything to your zoophillia, it would just help with depression. You mentioned your at college, why don't you try therapy there? The best therapy I had was from student services and it was free.