Hello all, hope everyone's well. heres something I've been thinking about recently.
I'm approaching the point of my life where I'm going to be able to get a dog of my own. Obviously being a zoo the purpose of this is to find a mate I am going to enjoy spending time with and not just to use as a warm fleshlight. The problem with this, and being a zoo, is that when buying a puppy there isn't really a chance to see what kind of personality dog will have as an adult.
Now, I honestly believe I've already met my doggy soulmate (bah, still haven't got over her :/ ) but this made me realise that there are dogs that will only ever be just cute dogs and then there are dogs that are potential partners because of their personalities. Just like with human relationships (from what I can tell) people don't fall in love with everyone they see of the opposite/same sex but they can still pass judgement of whether they are hot or not.
Over here there are websites that people use to re-home and sell dogs so you don't have to go through a rescue which as we know implement mandatory S/N procedures (and thus are no use for zoosexuals). There are many dogs of every age and breed that people sadly don't want the hassle of owning anymore.
My idea at the moment involves going along to a few of these people and hanging out with dog for as much time as possible to see if there's any chemistry there. Go for a walk, chuck a ball around for a bit etc. If there is, then you can take dog home and enjoy your time together. If you then realise that you're not actually a good fit for each other you can then put dog back up for adoption and resume your search for another doggy partner.
Obviously this is not an ideal solution, it has its downsides, and I'm not suggesting to just burn through dogs for the fuck of it. But the way I see it, this is a viable solution to ensure you get the dog you are most happy with, and you are the human that dog is most happy with. This is also a good way to determine you are both the correct... er, size, for each other without the 2 year commitment it takes to raise dog from a puppy only to find out you are incompatible, y'know, that way.
What's your opinion of adopting animals but then rehoming them if your personalities don't mesh as a way of 'dating' for zoophiles. Is this right/wrong, am I being stupid etc? I'd be interested in just hearing any thoughts in general really. Have I missed something?
tl;dr adopt (and re-home if needed) adult dogs as a way of dating to ensure you end up with your ideal mate.
I suppose a similar but different scenario would be animal sharing between zoos/beasties, but thats a whole 'nother kettle of fish.
This is a lot of work, but it might be worth it, and hopefully in a more zoo-tolerant world this could become the norm, with advertisements talking about a dog's personality when they need a new home. I think there's an advantage to raising a dog from puppyhood, as you can influence their personality development somewhat and even train them in simple tricks (sit, stay, lie down) to make them more intelligent and responsive. But it is ethically a weird sort of thing, like raising a ward from childhood and then marrying them when they reach adulthood.
Overall, a great suggestion, and one which I might practice if I can find a trustworthy owner for it. I'm not familiar with such rehoming sites, and a link would be helpful.
I can see why some people have a problem with knowingly raising a puppy with sex in mind. I got over that fairly quickly knowing that I am getting a dog to get the full dog experience, sex being part of that.
The site I was talking about was just preloved.co.uk Between the adverts for people selling puppies are people trying to re-home their adult dogs. Usefully for us the adverts say if dog has been S/N. There are probably other sites but I haven't started looking too hard yet.
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I would be worried with putting up a dog for adoption, especially in places where many dogs might be put down just because of overcrowding at the pounds/rescues. If you do it person-to-person, the risk is lower, but I still wonder if it's good for the dog to be moved around so much?
I do think it's a very good idea to try and adopt an adult dog and visit them before deciding. It's the idea to give them up for adoption again if you're not romantically/sexually compatible that I think sounds a bit... cynical? It can be nice pet anyway.
Thankfully, the rescues here don't all spay/neuter the dogs, so for me it would be possible to find an adult, visit for a bit and see if I like the dog, and still get one that is intact (with a bit of luck, it's like 50/50).
You can also look into a foster-adoption scenario where you can live with and care for a dog, but it isn't officially yours unless you decide you want to adopt it.
Ultimately I think any rescue or breeder should allow perspective owners to meet and interact with a dog and give a trial period where the dog can be returned.
I have thought about dog fostering but the barrier for entry is pretty high from what I remember. You need to have a big house, garden, home most of the day etc. I'll have another look to see if my views are still accurate.
That depends a lot on the rescue/shelter. Some of them have those rules, some are more relaxed, and a lot vary depending on the animal in question.
I think trial periods with your new dog would be a better idea then re-homing. That being said as long as the dog ends up in a loving home I'm not complaining.
youre right, but a lot of the people trying to get rid of adult dogs wouldnt take them back if you decide not to take them. Really, all I want is to adopt a dog from a rescue that doesnt have to be S/N before I take them home. I am 100% for rescuing dogs, but the S/N part is a complete deal breaker for me and I would think every other zoosexual.
If you can find a vet to do it, sometimes you can have a speuter alternative performed like a vasectomy. The dog is legally sterile, but does not have its sexual organs removed.
Perhaps a bunch of wealthy zoos could start up a rescue like that. Zeta Adoptions, a rescue with balls. XD
I'm not all that familiar with vas./ tubes tied type procedures in dogs. I dont think it causes humans to lose their sex drive so I guess its the same in animals. Definitely something I'll look into.
oh lordy that name haha. I have thought about starting an animal rescue when I get old. Theres going to be nothing else to spend my money on so why not?
It only blocks the sperm, and leaves all other fluids and hormones ats they are. There's a youtube channel with some demos: https://www.youtube.com/user/webuser07/search?query=vasectomy
Uhm, kinda dangerous? Look at this facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/ILL.PR and think about what could happen. Sure, this guy had (supposedly?) child porn and I think he also shot (at least one?) aggressive dog, so he's not the most likeable person ever, but most comments sound like they wouldn't care at all if he was the most moral zoo ever.
Jesus those people are still ball busting him? thats weird...
I dont think opening an animal shelter is inherently dangerous for zoos. This guy fucked up by sending photos to someone (was it his GF?). The people chasing him on facebook hate you and me as much as they do him. The only difference is he's visible in their sights. He broke the number one rule of being a zoo: dont tell anyone. The zeroth rule if youre a zoo working with animals is dont fucking tell anyone!
Anyway you only ever hear about the ones who get caught. I imagine there are thousands of zoos in the world working with animals right this second who are living their lives just fine.
I can honestly say I wasn't thinking of opening one so I could have a doggy all-you-can-fuck buffet.
The internet never sleeps.
If you are 100% sure that nobody can ever find out, sure, go for it. But if you ever mistakenly trust someone, this could be plastered all over the internet and you could have a lot of crazy people stalking you.
Nobody will care about what you did or wanted to do.
oh god, that rant sounds like copypasta, lol. The only way theyre stalking him is by posting stupid shit on his facebook page. Honestly, he should just take his page down and lay low for a bit. These rabid internet crazies wont ever leave their homes no matter how much they say they will. Thats why they write so much, all bark and no bite. I wouldn't be surprised if they have latent zoo thoughts going on in their heads.
I added that last bit for the people here. Of course these people wont care if you're not bonking the dogs. When I'm old I'll either open a shelter or write a book.
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Sometimes, I almost convince myself it wouldn't be so bad if I came out to my friends. Then I remember shit like this happens...
True, except that those options are the owner's... so if the dog has been pre-neutered by someone else, that's not likely to help! And I don't think many rescues keep their dogs un-altered under the assumption that the owner may want to give the dog a vasectomy. :)
A private arrangement is ideal, but a lot of owners are not comfortable with that either, since it adds questions about liability if the dog is injured or becomes ill during the "trial," etc.
My girlfriend and I have 2 male dogs that we got from the same breeder. Both are intact and get along well with each other and us. Our dog Guss is the most sexually active, as Rufus maybe gets horny once a month, Guss will want to go a few times a day. As a result, sexually Guss makes more sense to keep around than Rufus. Does it mean that we love Rufus any less and wish to get rid of him? No way. He's a part of our family and he adds a ton of entertainment to the family dynamic. Re-homing a dog can be super stressful for them and were not into the idea of just throwing away a dog, because he doesn't want to fill my girlfriends hole. Dogs have their own personality and as the superior species, we should respect that and love them, no matter what. Besides, when Rufus does decide he wants to have sex, it's a real treat for her, because it's something special for her.
Sounds like youve got it figured out, good for you, Im jealous. For me though, honestly, the sex part is a deal breaker. Yes I like dogs but if I had the choice between two that I enjoyed the company of equally, I would choose the one that puts out. I'd be lying to myself if I said anything else.
I think the dynamic of each of our lives is slightly different as well. Correct me if I'm wrong but you have a kind of polyamorous relationship which includes a human GF whereas my situation would simply involve me and dog. I think this changes it up slightly, especially as you have two dogs with one being really into the sex part. Would you be saying the same thing if both dogs only wanted sex rarely? I dont mean any of that in a bad way at all.
And IMO two dogs are the ideal. Because they can keep each other company while you're out. Same with horses. You really need at least two. It's good for their mental health.
I feel conflicted. Raising puppies does seem kinda creepy. What if you're really subconsciously "grooming" them for sex? But maybe it's more of a theoretical problem, I don't know.
I wouldn't feel comfortable taking a dog in for a while and then passing him along to someone else just because he wouldn't have sex with me. That has a very egoistical feel to me. I believe that if this happens multiple times such an unstable environment is not good for a dog...
The best situation I could think of is just that one where you can spend a significant amount of time with dogs while they still go back (almost) every day to their original owners - until you can decide that you fit well together. I suppose shelters could offer this, but the neutering fetish they so often have really bothers me too.
From what I can tell so far there really is no ideal situation unless you get really lucky with some unlikely situation. Just part of being a zoo I guess. yay...
Between the point above, and your other post:
Zoophile or not, I think personality is a huge aspect of an animal/human relationship, and it takes a while for a natural personality to come through. If it's evident to me that it "just isn't working out" after a month or so of genuine effort - for any reason - I don't see the issue with trying again with someone else... unless it's an animal who is old or chronically ill or otherwise hard to re-home responsibly. Leaving people/places that have only been around a month is maybe a little stressful, but likely much less stressful than holding them in a sub-par situation for the rest of their life.
Totally agree with "Just part of being a zoo I guess. yay..." - especially since others often get very judgmental about wanting a nice personality being inseparable from "thinking with your dick" as it's been put before.
Dogs need a stable family. It's unethical to take a dog home and become their primary carer only to give them up again if they don't satisfy you. If you're not sexually compatible, you still have a responsibility to care for them as a pet.
Its true dogs need a stable family, but then they also need a loving home. Im not saying that you should try to fuck dog on the first night of taking them home and if they dont want it then chuck them onto the next people, that would be wrong, but if after a long period the relationship isn't working do you still think its best to keep her? your lack of satisfaction with dog will reflect in your treatment of them and they will pick up on it. You will grow to resent the relationship just like a couple with a sexless marriage. I would argue its better for the dog to have another brief period of instability if it means moving to a family who love and cherish the dog as opposed to you begrudgingly keeping the dog for years.
So people who take dogs in as fosters should therefore never re-home them because it disrupts stability?
I don't like the idea of raising your own mate as well. Someone going child to lover. I would prefer to meet a dog the is an adult. That's just how I feel.
I know what you mean. It is very similar to the father/child relationship between humans albeit with two different species in our case.
The trouble I have is what if the puppy you raise doesn't want to have sex with you? I would be honestly very surprised if a zoosexual could say they would be 100% ok with that relationship and all the effort they put into raising a puppy for 2 years. Once I've done the whole relationship thing with a dog I knew would be a good fit I might look into raising a puppy. For the time being I feel the risk is too great for me.
So you're saying that if you make an effort towards something the other party is required to reward you by having sex with you?
I dont expect sex as a reward. I would be purchasing a puppy with a future sexual relationship in mind and would be very disappointed if it didn't become one.
The problem is anthropomorphizing too much. If you treat an animal nicely, sex is not a reward, it's a natural outcome. When they are sexually mature, and come into heat, they will want sex and it will not matter with whom. That you are already a member of their family makes it completely natural for them.
thats what Im hoping, but I still have a bit of fear of the unknown. All the 'what ifs' that can only be answered when the situation arrises.
following on, my opinion might be different if I could actually have sex with humans and save the romantic part for animals. Being zoo-exclusive this isnt the case which is why I'm putting such a heavy influence on finding a dog that is 100% okay with a physical relationship not just a platonic one.
Trust me, they will. Animals don't have the hangups we humans have. If you treat them as a pack member and give them a lot of love, they WILL want to enjoy sex with you when they reach sexual maturity.
I suggest an adult because there are so many needy adults out there destined to be gassed, and they will love you a lot if you save them. The only adult animals you might have a problem with are sometimes the ones that were severally abused or used as attack animals, or horses that were beaten a lot. And that's not to say that some of those aren't salvageable, just a bit iffy is all.
I can not say sexual/romantic wise being a non-zoo, but I can say that if you have owned enough pets you start to learn to tell how they will be pretty early on from adoption. I mean I still get it wrong from time to time, but having raised puppies and adopted shelter animals and practically have a petting zoo going on for a while I find I can usually tell within a relatively short amount of time how and animal will act once I get to know it well (assuming the animal is willing to interact, as sometimes they start out shy). It might be that I am just innately good with animals but I always seem to pick out the perfect one (by my standards) and they always seem to warm up to me before anybody else in the family. I am not sure if this helps you brainstorm at all but in my experience given careful observation and enough love (if raising them from young), it is usually possible to tell how they will turn out at least a good chunk of the time.
Fair enough. I have zero experience of picking out puppies so for me I feel its a very risky route to take for my first foray into zoo stuff. I am hoping to get a puppy at some point in my life but I think getting my first dog as a puppy isn't the right thing to do with my peculiar set of requirements.
I find shelter/abused animals are usually the most affectionate (heck I would be too if somebody saved me from an abusive home), but I am not sure what particularly you are looking for in an animal nor am I able to be physically there to help get a feel for things in any way so it would be difficult for me to provide much useful advice.
yeah all the shelter animals I've met have been great but then mandatory S/N of all shelter animals kills that as an option for me.
True. Many of the abused animals I got I had adopted off from the streets or directly from abusive homes that were willing to part with them (don't worry, they received no payment or anything like that. Simply talking them out of their animals was what was done). The sad part about many animal abusers is they think they love every animal they own, but what I have seen I would not call love at all. So given that it is possible to get an animals that is much like a shelter animals but is not fixed, you just need to find the right person, though hunting down animal abusers is not exactly easy. Additionally I have heard male animals that are neutered are still capable of sexual intercourse, though I am pretty sure you stated you were interested in female animals (correct me if I am wrong, I can not remember for sure) in which case I would not know.
Yeah animal abusers are bad but unfortunately they dont go around looking for someone to take their pets away. I'm pretty sure I've yet to meet or even spot an animal abuser. We shall see what happens. Fate will ultimately decide who I end up with.
And yes my first dog is going to be a girl.
Mostly they are normal people, you will not know who they are until you go to their house and see their pets for yourself. I wish you luck in your endeavors to find a mate.
cheers man. Im sure I'll keep everyone here updated when the time comes.
There is a way around the S/N requirement. Some shelters do it on their own upon you signing the adoption papers, then you pick up the pet after. Others, often crowded underfunded shelters like county shelters, have you sign an agreement to have the procedure done and often pay an extra fee, refundable when you bring proof your vet did it. So you simply don't do it and lose the money. OR, you can say the pet suddenly died, got out and ran away, make something up. It's not like they are going to send a cop to your house with a search warrant to search your house to see if you're lying or not.
But ofc you're better finding a private party on Craigslist or somesuch so you don't have to be deceptive.
yeah I dunno if I have the heart to tell the adoption place that the dog they had responsibility for placing in a good home has run off because I'm a shitty owner. Theres other avenues that don't require me to lie to people that I'd rather go down.
Then I question how strong your level of desire is. So you'd rather not lie to some stranger, in order to get a canine companion that you need? Even tho that dog needs a home and most likely will be gassed to death? Because MILLIONS of dogs are gassed every year in the USA. But ofc, enjoy your honesty. Every man has to have a code, as the "Hound" has said.
Just because I want to bang a dog doesnt mean I dont have a level of human decency. I try to treat everyone well and I think putting undue stress on a poor dog adoption person, especially when there are other options, isnt a good thing to do.
It is sad that so many dogs get put down, but unfortunately I cant save them all.
This is true. One can only save a few. Two is ideal, because they can keep each other company while you're at work.
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Well, IMO dogs, and animals in general don't have the wide range of personalities and hangups we humans have. Pretty much if you treat them as a member of your pack/herd and are very nice to them, they will love you.
I'd avoid puppies unless that is the only way you can find to get an intact dog. I suggest private want ads and Craigslist as you will often find intact dogs listed if you look around. You can't go wrong with a Lab. Ofc there are many breeds that are good and it's up to you what kind is especially cute to you.
It's not uncommon for a break in period to be written into a contract when buying/selling or adopting an animal. Usually it's two weeks to one month. You should be able to tell within a few days or a week at most IMO. If the animal is not too far away, you can simply visit it three or four times and spend a few hours with it to get a feel for how well you will get along.
at the moment I'm pretty sure im going to start out adopting an adult dog privately as my first dog for myself. Once I for sure know I can own a dog I'll look at getting a puppy of the exact breed I want. Im going to start off with probably a gsd/husky kind of thing. I'll mostly just go and see some and chose the one who bonds with me the best.