What are you talking about? I checked your history and there are only a couple comments that were in the negative.
There are a lot of people who just downvote if they disagree even slightly with someones opinion.
30-30amator equae 2 points on 2015-10-27 08:05:36
Do yo really give a crap about those votes?
Just imagine how many downvotes Galileo Galilei would have gotten on his facebook account....sometimes it´s really like in the videogames: the more opponents appear, the bigger your own progress ...
Sometimes, the truth is inconvenient and unpleasant. Sometimes, people hate you for things you wrote...but, what´s of bigger importance? Making "friends" online by sticking to the commonly accepted canon? Or telling the truth, no matter how severe the backlash will be?
Politeness or honesty? I´ll always choose the second, even if it pours a shitload of downvotes on me. Fuck those votes.
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 6 points on 2015-10-27 11:42:17
I seem to remember there are some reddit users who downvote all zoo posts. Or, at least, all until they get bored.
Don't worry too much.
Rannoch2002Deer Zoo 1 point on 2015-10-27 12:06:26
This.
KynophileDog lover 1 point on 2015-10-27 14:47:11
I don't even vote. And I loved your last thing on unrequited love songs. It's all good.
Lefthandedsock 4 points on 2015-10-27 18:55:54
I don't hate you; I doubt anyone hates you here. But then you post crap like this.
A ton of your posts are just rambling, introspective monologues. You ask things like "Are you really attracted to humans?" As if that's hard to believe.
Oh, and then you had that weird argument with me about dogs. Apparently you think dogs are all "angry," which really makes me question your maturity and your view of animals.
ursusem -3 points on 2015-10-27 19:04:25
I'm not sure if this particular post is really "crap" since I am checking at this point to see if the things I post are in some way inappropriate for this subreddit. I don't believe I've ever posted any crap on here. I'm talking about zoophilia and various different issues that I have with it especially considering that I need to live with it due to being a zoophile/zoosexual. If you have a problem with my posts maybe you have no business visiting this subreddit?
Lefthandedsock 7 points on 2015-10-27 20:43:03
No. This post is crap. Obviously, the things you post (aside from this subject) are appropriate for this subreddit. They all pertain to zoophilia, and this is /r/zoophilia. That does not mean that every user here has to like everything you post.
Don't cry about the one negative comment in a thread where you ask if everyone hates you. And don't even fucking suggest that I should leave this sub because I hurt your feelings. What an ugly sentiment.
I'm a human, not your personal hugbox.
ursusem -1 points on 2015-10-28 01:11:44
You haven't hurt my feelings. I think it is appropriate to post this question because down voting is really just a form of censorship. If you disagree with something I've said you should post about why it is that you disagree- going and down voting a post is like saying, "this content has no place here." That's all I was wondering about. It makes no sense to down vote something you disagree with. All you are doing in that case is censoring a different point of view. In a discussion there are SUPPOSED to be different points of view. I personally think it's ridiculous that zoophiles claim to understand how nonhumans think and feel. How can you possibly have masterful knowledge of a brain you've never experienced with sensory capabilities you've never experienced?! I think it's disgusting. Here I side with the opposition. I want to REALLY understand animals- I don't want to make up ideas about what they seem to be feeling and thinking based on the things they do! Some animals have been shown to have the ability to present with poker face. That means they have the ability to hide their true feelings about a situation. In other words, science has shown that they have the ability to lie about their true feelings about something. So looking at body language alone is not enough to interpret them. I think I respect animals enough to be able to say that I don't know everything about how they think. Because that is the truth.
Lefthandedsock 2 points on 2015-10-28 01:26:43
When did I mention anything about reading animals' minds or behavior?
I didn't and I wouldn't.
However, humans and dogs have coexisted for tens of thousands of years. We can read each each other's behavior to some degree, albeit nowhere near "masterfully."
ursusem -1 points on 2015-10-28 03:16:58
I just wrote that as an example of a way that my view on a topic would differ from that of most zoophiles. Because the mantra of zoophiles is that it is possible to know how an animal feels just by looking at them.
stalnixrm 1 point on 2015-10-28 10:37:03
the mantra of zoophiles is that it is possible to know how an animal feels just by looking at them
Only in the same sense that any animal has some degree of body language. And there's entire publications on the body language of various animals and what it means - from wilderness survival to living better with your pet guides.
ursusem -1 points on 2015-10-28 18:02:29
Well, you still can't confirm what is being demonstrated by the creature with a tool as sophisticated as the human language. I'm on the side of thinking that speech is a better communication tool- or at least it is best when you can also include human language in your communication.
stalnixrm 1 point on 2015-10-29 06:14:00
"The act of talking - using symbols, using words - can be likened to a deep sea diver who goes swimming in a rain coat" ~ Savage Garden
It's estimated that the vast majority of communication isn't in words when we relate to one another, but rather in the motion of our bodies. This is why communicating online is so fundamentally different from communicating in person.
Point being, animals don't fail simply because they don't have the symbolic tense of language you have. They still communicate using the same tools used for the vast majority of communication.
ursusem 0 points on 2015-10-29 06:20:08
I feel like there is a lot I would like to communicate to them which would require words. So their inability to deal in words is not something I like. I think words are needed sometimes especially for very close and significant relationships. At some point words will need to be exchanged. But nonhumans don't seem to deal in human language so they are a curious bunch.
ursusem -4 points on 2015-10-27 19:11:47
What kinds of posts are you looking for? This is a discussion subreddit. I have never legitimately felt attracted to humans so it is a fair question for me to ask other zoophiles if they really feel attracted to humans because for me it is something I can't fathom. It IS hard to believe for me because I don't feel that way. My posts are rambling, introspective monologues, you say. Sorry that I think a lot?? Did you expect all zoophiles to be exactly like you? What the f. I don't trust dogs, get the fuck over it. I'm not a dog-zoo. Never will be.
Truhls 5 points on 2015-10-27 19:17:35
Just because you dont trust dogs doesnt mean they are all angry....basically being a racist. Like saying you dont like black people cus they all shoot people.
ursusem -4 points on 2015-10-27 19:25:46
Every dog I've ever been with throughout my entire life has given me these aggressive vibes which I don't feel are friendly. My blood pressure skyrockets whenever I have to be around one in a social setting or be alone with one. There's just something about them. I can never relax around a dog. Dogs and me have different energy and we don't mix!
Truhls 4 points on 2015-10-27 19:26:56
Which is fine, you have a phobia of dogs. Dont blame the dogs though, its a you problem, not a them problem.
ursusem -6 points on 2015-10-27 19:46:36
No, it is a dog problem. Because they act so strange, why should I assume they are friendly? They could seriously f me up if they wanted to, that I know and I don't have a lot of respect for dogs to tolerate ending up being their battered up victim. Beasts can't speak so it is harder to read them and know their true intentions. How do you KNOW that your average beast has good and friendly intentions? You don't know- you just have to "feel" them out. My gut tells me dogs are not to be trusted. It seems like I'm friendly to them all the time and they're still jerks. I hate them. If that makes me a racist, whatever. Yes, I'm sure BARKING at people is totally the polite, nice way to act. They're either stupid or assholes.
Truhls 6 points on 2015-10-27 19:51:18
All the hallmarks of Cynophobia ( the fear of dogs ) AKA completely irrational fear. If you have this fear that you cant know what they're thinking, this should apply to ALL animals and you should NOT be a zoophile. The fact it doesnt apply to all animals equally means its just Cynophobia. You really need to understand your fear better. You should go do some research on Cynophobia.
ursusem -2 points on 2015-10-28 02:32:50
The reason why this is different from a phobia is that I believe there may be a real threat when I interact with a dog. Who's to say that the dog isn't going to attack me suddenly? It's not an irrational fear. If they wanted to attack, they surely could. I don't see them as possessing the moral sense that it is wrong to attack some random human. I don't get the same sort of vibe from other animals that I get from dogs. But apparently my feelings about them are not very common.
Truhls 2 points on 2015-10-28 02:47:36
that is exactly what a phobia is. seriously, go do some research on it.
ursusem -1 points on 2015-10-28 03:11:27
How is it a phobia if there is legitimate danger?
Truhls 1 point on 2015-10-28 03:19:42
Spiders and snakes kill, still a phobia. Common sense, you should get some.
ursusem 0 points on 2015-10-28 04:15:36
A phobia is an irrational fear, to my understanding. Arachnophobia is very common and it is a phobia because most spiders you will encounter present no danger to humans but people still feel terrified of a spider they KNOW is harmless. That's the image of a phobia: being terrified of something that is harmless. I am unsure about dogs. I think any dog is likely to attack me or bite me if given the right circumstance. So I'm afraid of them and don't trust them. And it's not even that I worry about them attacking. They weird me out because they just seem so oddly aggressive at the flip of a coin. They're not nice beasts. As far as I can tell.
Truhls 1 point on 2015-10-28 04:25:43
No that isnt a definition of a phobia. Seriously, the first step to getting better is to admit you have a problem. If you dont or do i dont care, im done with this conversation. You have a phobia of dogs whether you like it or not, admit it or not. Its your problem and if you want to be like that then fine. I really couldnt care less. Just stop blaming the dogs for your problems.
ursusem 0 points on 2015-10-28 04:31:56
I don't like most dogs. But thanks anyway
Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2015-10-28 11:59:38
99% of the time, there isn't any danger. You see aggression in friendly behavior. That's why it's a fucking phobia.
ursusem 0 points on 2015-10-28 17:52:45
It's not that I see aggression in friendly behavior. What scares me is that I have experienced that dogs' moods can change very quickly on a dime and this seems to happen a lot with them. They are just not "chill" even keel and happy. They are very unpredictable. Not nice. Not friendly.
Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2015-10-28 18:06:14
Not nice. Not friendly
Quit repeating that fucking idiotic phrase. You sound like Rainman. Get therapy.
[deleted] 1 point on 2015-10-28 18:08:26
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ursusem 1 point on 2015-10-28 18:12:13
Whatever. They suck.
KingMe42 1 point on 2015-11-01 04:41:10
You act like a child.
HeartBeatOfTheBeastHoof and Claw 2 points on 2015-10-27 19:52:42
But think about it, some people might have a bear problem.
stalnixrm 3 points on 2015-10-27 20:27:07
The operant difference is that we've not selectively bred bears to be domestic companions.
Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2015-10-27 20:36:45
Exactly. Dogs are genetically inclined to be nice to people, but this dude would probably try to cozy up with a bear.
ursusem -1 points on 2015-10-28 02:34:13
They are genetically inclined to be nice to people- only if you are their owner and if they see you as the Alpha in the pack...
Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2015-10-28 02:44:16
Not even a little bit true. You haven't a single clue about dogs.
Let's all do ourselves and you a favor by never speaking about dogs with you again. Or if you want a taste of your own medicine; "We all like dogs here, so if don't like dogs then maybe you have no business visiting this subreddit."
ursusem 1 point on 2015-10-28 03:10:23
I recall you didn't have any response when I described how a dog attacked me when I was younger and that thing about dogs having self control? What do you mean that I have no clue about them? Maybe you are unwilling to see anything bad about some of the things that they do.
Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2015-10-28 03:24:48
Frankly, I just didn't care to speak to you anymore. You're unreachable.
My words went in one ear and out the other, and then you started talking about cats.
You say a dog attacked you. What exactly did the dog do? I've never seen a dog attack anyone, and I never get anything but love from dogs. You probably give off bad vibes. It's best that you be around animals that don't give a shit (Such as cats and goldfish) and leave dogs alone. You might rub off on them.
ursusem 1 point on 2015-10-28 03:55:42
Well I don't know if I'm unreachable. Frankly I've always wanted to vent these feelings that I have about dogs. I've always told people that I'm afraid but I never really got anybody who understood or could offer maybe some help/advice on this for it is perplexing to me. Do I need to see a psychologist about this? I visited with a psychologist once because I felt socially anxious/ wondered if I had Aspergers. I didn't tell her about my being a zoophile. We talked about some oddball things. At one point I remember bringing up that I worried about what a particular dog in my life thought about me. The psychologist acted as though it was strange that I would care about what a dog thinks about me...
When I was attacked by the dog, it was one of those little "wiener" dogs- they probably have a proper name for the breed but I don't know what it is, I was a toddler. My sister who is a only a year and half younger was feeding this dog and I wanted to feed the dog. So I made the fatal mistake and took the dog's bowl of food away from the dog so that I could then give the bowl to the dog because toddler logic. Well the dog jumped out and bit me really hard on my thumb. But that was an adult dog and it seems stupid to me for a dog to bite basically a baby human. It seems to me that the dog should be smart enough to understand that it shouldn't bite some young thing that doesn't know better. It's not very nice to attack someone because apparently you only care about your stomach. And if the dog was intelligent and kind it should be able to understand that it will get its food eventually. It's just unattractive rude behavior in my mind.
Lefthandedsock 2 points on 2015-10-28 04:12:26
Yeah, go see a psychologist.
Dachshunds (weiner dogs) suck. I try to only associate with medium to large dogs. Also, don't take an unknown dog's food away. Of course, toddler you couldn't have known this, but as an adult, now you know.
Some dogs are aggressive over food. They can easily be trained not to be.
Animals don't think in the way that you personally believe they should. The human way of thinking, e.g. "The dog should know better than to bite someone who doesn't know better, because he should also know that he'll have his food sooner or later" is far too complex for any other animal to imagine.
The thing is that most dogs will tolerate having their food taken away. Some don't. That's why, as with sooooo many other things in this world, you don't do certain things until you know it's safe to do so.
I don't pet cats' bellies until I've asked their owner if it's okay, because 90% of cats fucking hate it and claw the shit out of you if you try.
I definitely agree with other posters that you have pretty severe cynophobia. You appear to be able to overlook literally any unpleasant cat behavior, but even friendly dog behavior seems threatening to you.
I'm done talking to you about dogs. It's impossible to remedy a mindset with logic and knowledge when it was never based on logic or knowledge to begin with.
Go see a therapist.
stalnixrm 1 point on 2015-10-28 10:33:50
Seconding the "you seem to have an at least partially irrational phobia" bid. I can count the number of times a dog outright attacked me on zero hands; I live in the country - there's a LOT of dogs out here. Plenty make noise but most are pretty friendly once you're up close or only make a lot of noise.
ursusem 1 point on 2015-10-28 17:50:25
Really? I always get a really bad feeling about them.
stalnixrm 1 point on 2015-10-29 05:56:52
Yeah, that's one of the marks of an irrational phobia - finding something to fear where something harmless exists. Most domestic dogs and most dogs kept as pets are harmless.
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 1 point on 2015-10-27 20:38:37
The opposite problem is that we co-evolved with dogs, so fluffy animals have become cute. Bears look friendlier to me than they ought to, from all the scare stories out there.
ursusem -1 points on 2015-10-28 02:51:43
You are making the assumption that bears are not friendly. I guess you are free to make that assumption because it is true that some bears kill man. But I can tell you that most bears attack humans because they are afraid. Bears are self defenders. They are not evil monsters by nature. They want to survive and they want to be happy, have fun, enjoy their lives and be out of harms way- just like you. Bears are very complex creatures. And no two individual bears are alike! They are not AT ALL like they've been made out to be like in Hollywood and in campfire "bear stories." Bears are scary just because they are big, have claws and teeth, will bluff charge humans that they see as a threat to their safety and because they are generally not understood.
KingMe42 1 point on 2015-11-01 04:43:29
You defend bears, but fucking cry about dogs. The definition of irrational.
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 1 point on 2015-10-28 13:11:54
Thanks for the video! Informative :)
ursusem -1 points on 2015-10-28 02:54:03
We've also bred dogs to be more aggressive than they otherwise would be if they evolved themselves out in Nature.
stalnixrm 2 points on 2015-10-28 10:28:19
That's simply not true. We've bred them towards specific intentions - the vast majority of which were bred towards companionship or utility.
So, yeah, there's breeds that traditionally used as attack and guard dogs, but even that was utility. That doesn't change that we domesticated them and selectively bred them. And even the "oh my god, vicious!" breeds often turn out to be friendly and more-or-less docile if treated properly.
You ever stop and think that people don't like you because you make asinine comments like this without even thinking?
ursusem 0 points on 2015-10-28 17:42:08
Tell that to anybody chased down and mauled to near death by these rabid beasts that got loose!
stalnixrm 1 point on 2015-10-29 05:56:15
I believe I have at this point. You have an irrational phobia.
Lefthandedsock 3 points on 2015-10-27 20:35:41
You have such a poor attitude.
ursusem -1 points on 2015-10-28 03:04:22
That's easy for you to say. You don't know what it feels like when I'm around a dog.
zoozooz 3 points on 2015-10-27 22:20:21
I don't hate you, but
They're either stupid or assholes.
you must know that comments and posts like this are an open invitation for drama because you must know that most people here are very fond of dogs...
ursusem -1 points on 2015-10-28 03:00:24
Of course I know that most zoophiles are very fond of dogs. I've known all my life that dogs are very popular with people. But my truth is that they don't sit well with me. I am zoo but dogs just scare me. I don't like dogs. I am therefore a lot different from most other zoophiles in that way. I can sit by when all of you are talking about how much you love them. And I have no problem with that. I just personally don't like them even though I'm zoo. It's just my truth. Please don't be too offended.
zoozooz 3 points on 2015-10-28 06:55:50
It's one thing to say
I perceive dogs to be threatening
and another thing to say
They're either stupid or assholes.
ursusem -1 points on 2015-10-28 07:48:41
Sorry? That's all I can think about them. I don't know why anybody likes them. They are okay looks-wise but other than that...
HeartBeatOfTheBeastHoof and Claw 1 point on 2015-10-30 01:24:52
I take it you are absolutely terrified of Wolves.
ursusem 0 points on 2015-10-30 05:50:20
I'm not terrified of wolves. I'm terrified of dogs. The ONLY reason why I'm scared of dogs is because they seem unpredictable and basically cruel in nature. Wolves don't act in the ways that dogs act like which makes me afraid- of dogs. It is because of how they act- NOTHING else.
smilesbot 1 point on 2015-10-30 05:51:20
Shh, it's okay. Drink some cocoa! :)
Lefthandedsock 5 points on 2015-10-27 20:38:36
Don't ask questions if you're going to respond to honest answers with hostility.
This only reinforces my assuption that you're mentally immature.
incognito-cognition 1 point on 2015-10-29 02:58:54
As to statements like:
I've never seen a dog attack anyone
See youtube dKF3U9UWrBI for one well-publicised example of a kid who was just rolling around on a bike, and a dog decided to grab him. (Skip the end if you don't like wound pictures.)
My boyfriend was bitten by a dog who came running down a driveway off-leash (which by the way is illegal here) as we were rollerblading past the owner's house on the sidewalk out front - and we are fairly experienced with dogs!
I had to go back a ways to get statistics from someone other than ambulance chasers but CDC reported "an estimated 368,245 persons treated" for dog bites in 2001, with "approximately 6,000" hospitalized in 1994. Wikipedia claims 4.5 to 4.7 million bites per year, with 20-30 resulting in death, cited from various sources after 2009.
I am no fan of this post, nor of the "attitude" seen... I agree that dog phobia may be involved... but let's not pretend that because some of the most knowledgable and tuned-in dog owners in the world have not experienced dog-induced injuries that problems aren't out there.
ursusem 1 point on 2015-10-29 06:04:58
What is this "attitude" of which you guys claim to see here? That I am not "giving dogs a chance?"
incognito-cognition 1 point on 2015-10-29 12:21:03
I don't think I can explain it better than those who've responded when it happens. It's not specific to the dog topic (or to you), just an overall feeling from the replies.
KingMe42 1 point on 2015-11-01 04:36:02
I don't Haye you, I don't even know or care about you. But with shit posts like this bitch in as if you deserved to be liked is a sure fire way to be disliked.
KingMe42 1 point on 2015-11-01 05:21:27
I have changed my mind after reading your comments. Yeah I dislike you, you seem like an irrational nut case.
larblac 1 point on 2015-11-01 07:35:21
After perusing through this literary smorgasbord, yeah, I can see why.
/r/zoophilia archive
What are you talking about? I checked your history and there are only a couple comments that were in the negative.
There are a lot of people who just downvote if they disagree even slightly with someones opinion.
Do yo really give a crap about those votes? Just imagine how many downvotes Galileo Galilei would have gotten on his facebook account....sometimes it´s really like in the videogames: the more opponents appear, the bigger your own progress ... Sometimes, the truth is inconvenient and unpleasant. Sometimes, people hate you for things you wrote...but, what´s of bigger importance? Making "friends" online by sticking to the commonly accepted canon? Or telling the truth, no matter how severe the backlash will be? Politeness or honesty? I´ll always choose the second, even if it pours a shitload of downvotes on me. Fuck those votes.
I seem to remember there are some reddit users who downvote all zoo posts. Or, at least, all until they get bored.
Don't worry too much.
This.
I don't even vote. And I loved your last thing on unrequited love songs. It's all good.
I don't hate you; I doubt anyone hates you here. But then you post crap like this.
A ton of your posts are just rambling, introspective monologues. You ask things like "Are you really attracted to humans?" As if that's hard to believe.
Oh, and then you had that weird argument with me about dogs. Apparently you think dogs are all "angry," which really makes me question your maturity and your view of animals.
I'm not sure if this particular post is really "crap" since I am checking at this point to see if the things I post are in some way inappropriate for this subreddit. I don't believe I've ever posted any crap on here. I'm talking about zoophilia and various different issues that I have with it especially considering that I need to live with it due to being a zoophile/zoosexual. If you have a problem with my posts maybe you have no business visiting this subreddit?
No. This post is crap. Obviously, the things you post (aside from this subject) are appropriate for this subreddit. They all pertain to zoophilia, and this is /r/zoophilia. That does not mean that every user here has to like everything you post.
Don't cry about the one negative comment in a thread where you ask if everyone hates you. And don't even fucking suggest that I should leave this sub because I hurt your feelings. What an ugly sentiment.
I'm a human, not your personal hugbox.
You haven't hurt my feelings. I think it is appropriate to post this question because down voting is really just a form of censorship. If you disagree with something I've said you should post about why it is that you disagree- going and down voting a post is like saying, "this content has no place here." That's all I was wondering about. It makes no sense to down vote something you disagree with. All you are doing in that case is censoring a different point of view. In a discussion there are SUPPOSED to be different points of view. I personally think it's ridiculous that zoophiles claim to understand how nonhumans think and feel. How can you possibly have masterful knowledge of a brain you've never experienced with sensory capabilities you've never experienced?! I think it's disgusting. Here I side with the opposition. I want to REALLY understand animals- I don't want to make up ideas about what they seem to be feeling and thinking based on the things they do! Some animals have been shown to have the ability to present with poker face. That means they have the ability to hide their true feelings about a situation. In other words, science has shown that they have the ability to lie about their true feelings about something. So looking at body language alone is not enough to interpret them. I think I respect animals enough to be able to say that I don't know everything about how they think. Because that is the truth.
When did I mention anything about reading animals' minds or behavior?
I didn't and I wouldn't.
However, humans and dogs have coexisted for tens of thousands of years. We can read each each other's behavior to some degree, albeit nowhere near "masterfully."
I just wrote that as an example of a way that my view on a topic would differ from that of most zoophiles. Because the mantra of zoophiles is that it is possible to know how an animal feels just by looking at them.
Only in the same sense that any animal has some degree of body language. And there's entire publications on the body language of various animals and what it means - from wilderness survival to living better with your pet guides.
Well, you still can't confirm what is being demonstrated by the creature with a tool as sophisticated as the human language. I'm on the side of thinking that speech is a better communication tool- or at least it is best when you can also include human language in your communication.
It's estimated that the vast majority of communication isn't in words when we relate to one another, but rather in the motion of our bodies. This is why communicating online is so fundamentally different from communicating in person.
Point being, animals don't fail simply because they don't have the symbolic tense of language you have. They still communicate using the same tools used for the vast majority of communication.
I feel like there is a lot I would like to communicate to them which would require words. So their inability to deal in words is not something I like. I think words are needed sometimes especially for very close and significant relationships. At some point words will need to be exchanged. But nonhumans don't seem to deal in human language so they are a curious bunch.
What kinds of posts are you looking for? This is a discussion subreddit. I have never legitimately felt attracted to humans so it is a fair question for me to ask other zoophiles if they really feel attracted to humans because for me it is something I can't fathom. It IS hard to believe for me because I don't feel that way. My posts are rambling, introspective monologues, you say. Sorry that I think a lot?? Did you expect all zoophiles to be exactly like you? What the f. I don't trust dogs, get the fuck over it. I'm not a dog-zoo. Never will be.
Just because you dont trust dogs doesnt mean they are all angry....basically being a racist. Like saying you dont like black people cus they all shoot people.
Every dog I've ever been with throughout my entire life has given me these aggressive vibes which I don't feel are friendly. My blood pressure skyrockets whenever I have to be around one in a social setting or be alone with one. There's just something about them. I can never relax around a dog. Dogs and me have different energy and we don't mix!
Which is fine, you have a phobia of dogs. Dont blame the dogs though, its a you problem, not a them problem.
No, it is a dog problem. Because they act so strange, why should I assume they are friendly? They could seriously f me up if they wanted to, that I know and I don't have a lot of respect for dogs to tolerate ending up being their battered up victim. Beasts can't speak so it is harder to read them and know their true intentions. How do you KNOW that your average beast has good and friendly intentions? You don't know- you just have to "feel" them out. My gut tells me dogs are not to be trusted. It seems like I'm friendly to them all the time and they're still jerks. I hate them. If that makes me a racist, whatever. Yes, I'm sure BARKING at people is totally the polite, nice way to act. They're either stupid or assholes.
All the hallmarks of Cynophobia ( the fear of dogs ) AKA completely irrational fear. If you have this fear that you cant know what they're thinking, this should apply to ALL animals and you should NOT be a zoophile. The fact it doesnt apply to all animals equally means its just Cynophobia. You really need to understand your fear better. You should go do some research on Cynophobia.
The reason why this is different from a phobia is that I believe there may be a real threat when I interact with a dog. Who's to say that the dog isn't going to attack me suddenly? It's not an irrational fear. If they wanted to attack, they surely could. I don't see them as possessing the moral sense that it is wrong to attack some random human. I don't get the same sort of vibe from other animals that I get from dogs. But apparently my feelings about them are not very common.
that is exactly what a phobia is. seriously, go do some research on it.
How is it a phobia if there is legitimate danger?
Spiders and snakes kill, still a phobia. Common sense, you should get some.
A phobia is an irrational fear, to my understanding. Arachnophobia is very common and it is a phobia because most spiders you will encounter present no danger to humans but people still feel terrified of a spider they KNOW is harmless. That's the image of a phobia: being terrified of something that is harmless. I am unsure about dogs. I think any dog is likely to attack me or bite me if given the right circumstance. So I'm afraid of them and don't trust them. And it's not even that I worry about them attacking. They weird me out because they just seem so oddly aggressive at the flip of a coin. They're not nice beasts. As far as I can tell.
No that isnt a definition of a phobia. Seriously, the first step to getting better is to admit you have a problem. If you dont or do i dont care, im done with this conversation. You have a phobia of dogs whether you like it or not, admit it or not. Its your problem and if you want to be like that then fine. I really couldnt care less. Just stop blaming the dogs for your problems.
I don't like most dogs. But thanks anyway
99% of the time, there isn't any danger. You see aggression in friendly behavior. That's why it's a fucking phobia.
It's not that I see aggression in friendly behavior. What scares me is that I have experienced that dogs' moods can change very quickly on a dime and this seems to happen a lot with them. They are just not "chill" even keel and happy. They are very unpredictable. Not nice. Not friendly.
Quit repeating that fucking idiotic phrase. You sound like Rainman. Get therapy.
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Whatever. They suck.
You act like a child.
But think about it, some people might have a bear problem.
The operant difference is that we've not selectively bred bears to be domestic companions.
Exactly. Dogs are genetically inclined to be nice to people, but this dude would probably try to cozy up with a bear.
They are genetically inclined to be nice to people- only if you are their owner and if they see you as the Alpha in the pack...
Not even a little bit true. You haven't a single clue about dogs.
Let's all do ourselves and you a favor by never speaking about dogs with you again. Or if you want a taste of your own medicine; "We all like dogs here, so if don't like dogs then maybe you have no business visiting this subreddit."
I recall you didn't have any response when I described how a dog attacked me when I was younger and that thing about dogs having self control? What do you mean that I have no clue about them? Maybe you are unwilling to see anything bad about some of the things that they do.
Frankly, I just didn't care to speak to you anymore. You're unreachable.
My words went in one ear and out the other, and then you started talking about cats.
You say a dog attacked you. What exactly did the dog do? I've never seen a dog attack anyone, and I never get anything but love from dogs. You probably give off bad vibes. It's best that you be around animals that don't give a shit (Such as cats and goldfish) and leave dogs alone. You might rub off on them.
Well I don't know if I'm unreachable. Frankly I've always wanted to vent these feelings that I have about dogs. I've always told people that I'm afraid but I never really got anybody who understood or could offer maybe some help/advice on this for it is perplexing to me. Do I need to see a psychologist about this? I visited with a psychologist once because I felt socially anxious/ wondered if I had Aspergers. I didn't tell her about my being a zoophile. We talked about some oddball things. At one point I remember bringing up that I worried about what a particular dog in my life thought about me. The psychologist acted as though it was strange that I would care about what a dog thinks about me...
When I was attacked by the dog, it was one of those little "wiener" dogs- they probably have a proper name for the breed but I don't know what it is, I was a toddler. My sister who is a only a year and half younger was feeding this dog and I wanted to feed the dog. So I made the fatal mistake and took the dog's bowl of food away from the dog so that I could then give the bowl to the dog because toddler logic. Well the dog jumped out and bit me really hard on my thumb. But that was an adult dog and it seems stupid to me for a dog to bite basically a baby human. It seems to me that the dog should be smart enough to understand that it shouldn't bite some young thing that doesn't know better. It's not very nice to attack someone because apparently you only care about your stomach. And if the dog was intelligent and kind it should be able to understand that it will get its food eventually. It's just unattractive rude behavior in my mind.
Yeah, go see a psychologist.
Dachshunds (weiner dogs) suck. I try to only associate with medium to large dogs. Also, don't take an unknown dog's food away. Of course, toddler you couldn't have known this, but as an adult, now you know.
Some dogs are aggressive over food. They can easily be trained not to be.
Animals don't think in the way that you personally believe they should. The human way of thinking, e.g. "The dog should know better than to bite someone who doesn't know better, because he should also know that he'll have his food sooner or later" is far too complex for any other animal to imagine.
The thing is that most dogs will tolerate having their food taken away. Some don't. That's why, as with sooooo many other things in this world, you don't do certain things until you know it's safe to do so.
I don't pet cats' bellies until I've asked their owner if it's okay, because 90% of cats fucking hate it and claw the shit out of you if you try.
I definitely agree with other posters that you have pretty severe cynophobia. You appear to be able to overlook literally any unpleasant cat behavior, but even friendly dog behavior seems threatening to you.
I'm done talking to you about dogs. It's impossible to remedy a mindset with logic and knowledge when it was never based on logic or knowledge to begin with.
Go see a therapist.
Seconding the "you seem to have an at least partially irrational phobia" bid. I can count the number of times a dog outright attacked me on zero hands; I live in the country - there's a LOT of dogs out here. Plenty make noise but most are pretty friendly once you're up close or only make a lot of noise.
Really? I always get a really bad feeling about them.
Yeah, that's one of the marks of an irrational phobia - finding something to fear where something harmless exists. Most domestic dogs and most dogs kept as pets are harmless.
The opposite problem is that we co-evolved with dogs, so fluffy animals have become cute. Bears look friendlier to me than they ought to, from all the scare stories out there.
You are making the assumption that bears are not friendly. I guess you are free to make that assumption because it is true that some bears kill man. But I can tell you that most bears attack humans because they are afraid. Bears are self defenders. They are not evil monsters by nature. They want to survive and they want to be happy, have fun, enjoy their lives and be out of harms way- just like you. Bears are very complex creatures. And no two individual bears are alike! They are not AT ALL like they've been made out to be like in Hollywood and in campfire "bear stories." Bears are scary just because they are big, have claws and teeth, will bluff charge humans that they see as a threat to their safety and because they are generally not understood.
You defend bears, but fucking cry about dogs. The definition of irrational.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkwy0scRXBU
Thanks for the video! Informative :)
We've also bred dogs to be more aggressive than they otherwise would be if they evolved themselves out in Nature.
That's simply not true. We've bred them towards specific intentions - the vast majority of which were bred towards companionship or utility.
So, yeah, there's breeds that traditionally used as attack and guard dogs, but even that was utility. That doesn't change that we domesticated them and selectively bred them. And even the "oh my god, vicious!" breeds often turn out to be friendly and more-or-less docile if treated properly.
You ever stop and think that people don't like you because you make asinine comments like this without even thinking?
Tell that to anybody chased down and mauled to near death by these rabid beasts that got loose!
I believe I have at this point. You have an irrational phobia.
You have such a poor attitude.
That's easy for you to say. You don't know what it feels like when I'm around a dog.
I don't hate you, but
you must know that comments and posts like this are an open invitation for drama because you must know that most people here are very fond of dogs...
Of course I know that most zoophiles are very fond of dogs. I've known all my life that dogs are very popular with people. But my truth is that they don't sit well with me. I am zoo but dogs just scare me. I don't like dogs. I am therefore a lot different from most other zoophiles in that way. I can sit by when all of you are talking about how much you love them. And I have no problem with that. I just personally don't like them even though I'm zoo. It's just my truth. Please don't be too offended.
It's one thing to say
and another thing to say
Sorry? That's all I can think about them. I don't know why anybody likes them. They are okay looks-wise but other than that...
I take it you are absolutely terrified of Wolves.
I'm not terrified of wolves. I'm terrified of dogs. The ONLY reason why I'm scared of dogs is because they seem unpredictable and basically cruel in nature. Wolves don't act in the ways that dogs act like which makes me afraid- of dogs. It is because of how they act- NOTHING else.
Shh, it's okay. Drink some cocoa! :)
Don't ask questions if you're going to respond to honest answers with hostility.
This only reinforces my assuption that you're mentally immature.
As to statements like:
See youtube dKF3U9UWrBI for one well-publicised example of a kid who was just rolling around on a bike, and a dog decided to grab him. (Skip the end if you don't like wound pictures.)
My boyfriend was bitten by a dog who came running down a driveway off-leash (which by the way is illegal here) as we were rollerblading past the owner's house on the sidewalk out front - and we are fairly experienced with dogs!
I had to go back a ways to get statistics from someone other than ambulance chasers but CDC reported "an estimated 368,245 persons treated" for dog bites in 2001, with "approximately 6,000" hospitalized in 1994. Wikipedia claims 4.5 to 4.7 million bites per year, with 20-30 resulting in death, cited from various sources after 2009.
I am no fan of this post, nor of the "attitude" seen... I agree that dog phobia may be involved... but let's not pretend that because some of the most knowledgable and tuned-in dog owners in the world have not experienced dog-induced injuries that problems aren't out there.
What is this "attitude" of which you guys claim to see here? That I am not "giving dogs a chance?"
I don't think I can explain it better than those who've responded when it happens. It's not specific to the dog topic (or to you), just an overall feeling from the replies.
I don't Haye you, I don't even know or care about you. But with shit posts like this bitch in as if you deserved to be liked is a sure fire way to be disliked.
I have changed my mind after reading your comments. Yeah I dislike you, you seem like an irrational nut case.
After perusing through this literary smorgasbord, yeah, I can see why.