submitted 2015-12-08 02:24:36 by zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 2 points on 2015-12-08 02:28:19
This is more intended to be directed towards dog breeders, but I think a lot of the basics still apply. There's a lot that's very similar to general 'how to handle law enforcement' advice, and it generally boils down to don't let them in and say nothing until you have a lawyer.
demsweetdoggykisses 3 points on 2015-12-08 02:40:55
For this sub, Preventative Measures should include:
8: Do not post videos or pictures of yourself, your animals or identifying material on the internet. There are people who are VERY good at doing home-detective work and take great offense to bestiality or the suggestion of it, and will figure out where you live just by the shape of a window and power outlet in the background of the picture.
9: Remember you take a great risk when exposing any part of your real life to someone else, so be aware that if you "come out" to even a trusted person, they may share the information with someone they trust, why may in turn share the information again with someone who would not hesitate to make a phone call and have your animals taken away. It's not always the fault of the person you come out to, but it does happen.
I also gnash my teeth at the advice on this flyer to find temporary placement for having too many animals in your home. Hoarding animals or running animal mills is a serious and highly abusive problem. If you have more than the legal limit of animals, you probably have a serious issue. Get a proper license and facilities or stop collecting and breeding them you fucknuts.
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 4 points on 2015-12-08 02:52:51
As a couple additions to your #8- If you MUST post images, make sure they're not incriminating (like a photo of a dog sitting isn't incriminating, a photo of having sex with that dog is) and maybe use a bit of photoshop. Something as simple as flipping a photo and recoloring the dog's eyes might help cast a shadow of doubt on whether or not it's the same animal. Also check what a forum's takedown/hiding/deactivation policy is before posting any stories or images. Like knotty.me allows for users to deactivate and hide all of their comments, but beastforum does not, even in an emergency.
Yeah, some of the things in the article made my eyebrows rise a bit. But I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming what they're referring to are less mills/hoarders and more a 'the limit is five dogs, and I normally only have one bitch, but she gave birth to seven puppies' kind of thing.
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 2 points on 2015-12-08 15:27:28
Something as simple as flipping a photo and recoloring the dog's eyes might help cast a shadow of doubt on whether or not it's the same animal.
No. No no no no no. Anyone using Chrome can right-click for the option "Search Google for this image", which will reveal any trivial distortions.
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 3 points on 2015-12-08 16:26:37
I did forget about reverse-image search, but that depends on if the image has been uploaded somewhere else and if google can look in the places it has been uploaded to. If there's no original on the (searchable) internet, reverse-image search can't reveal much. At most, you could look at EXIF data which can reveal if an image has been tampered with in photoshop, but it doesn't reveal what was altered.
Speaking of EXIF data, always check it for geotagging. Don't accidentally give people your GPS coordinates.
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 1 point on 2015-12-08 18:19:21
Even if no original is uploaded, rapid advances in image processing mean it's wise to assume that it's leaking vastly more information than you might realise is possible. For example, it turns out you can (sometimes) identify a photographer from the reflection in the subject's eye: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0083325
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 2 points on 2015-12-08 23:22:22
While reflections and such are something to keep in mind, the images used in that article are very, very high resolution. This isn't something you could pull off with smaller images. You can download the lower resolution .png of figure 2 and zoom in on the eye to test it- at the lower resolution (which is a pretty normal res for image posted online) no faces are visible in the reflection. Without an ultra high-resolution original available, there is not and never will be a way to enhance the image to get a recognizable face out of something with no detail.
Obviously though, posting any image is going to carry some amount of risk and the safest thing to do is to not post any images, which is why I don't do it. There are ways to reduce risk, but none of them can eliminate it entirely. Even if you post only original, very low resolution images of solid colored animals against plain backdrops, all metadata removed, there's still a possibility the images might be found on your phone or computer even if deleted. You should always be assuming that anything you post, be it photos or text, will be seen by people you wouldn't want seeing it and who are smarter than you.
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 1 point on 2015-12-09 18:40:49
You covered everything I was about to write in your second paragraph. :)
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This is more intended to be directed towards dog breeders, but I think a lot of the basics still apply. There's a lot that's very similar to general 'how to handle law enforcement' advice, and it generally boils down to don't let them in and say nothing until you have a lawyer.
For this sub, Preventative Measures should include:
8: Do not post videos or pictures of yourself, your animals or identifying material on the internet. There are people who are VERY good at doing home-detective work and take great offense to bestiality or the suggestion of it, and will figure out where you live just by the shape of a window and power outlet in the background of the picture.
9: Remember you take a great risk when exposing any part of your real life to someone else, so be aware that if you "come out" to even a trusted person, they may share the information with someone they trust, why may in turn share the information again with someone who would not hesitate to make a phone call and have your animals taken away. It's not always the fault of the person you come out to, but it does happen.
I also gnash my teeth at the advice on this flyer to find temporary placement for having too many animals in your home. Hoarding animals or running animal mills is a serious and highly abusive problem. If you have more than the legal limit of animals, you probably have a serious issue. Get a proper license and facilities or stop collecting and breeding them you fucknuts.
As a couple additions to your #8- If you MUST post images, make sure they're not incriminating (like a photo of a dog sitting isn't incriminating, a photo of having sex with that dog is) and maybe use a bit of photoshop. Something as simple as flipping a photo and recoloring the dog's eyes might help cast a shadow of doubt on whether or not it's the same animal. Also check what a forum's takedown/hiding/deactivation policy is before posting any stories or images. Like knotty.me allows for users to deactivate and hide all of their comments, but beastforum does not, even in an emergency.
Yeah, some of the things in the article made my eyebrows rise a bit. But I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming what they're referring to are less mills/hoarders and more a 'the limit is five dogs, and I normally only have one bitch, but she gave birth to seven puppies' kind of thing.
No. No no no no no. Anyone using Chrome can right-click for the option "Search Google for this image", which will reveal any trivial distortions.
I did forget about reverse-image search, but that depends on if the image has been uploaded somewhere else and if google can look in the places it has been uploaded to. If there's no original on the (searchable) internet, reverse-image search can't reveal much. At most, you could look at EXIF data which can reveal if an image has been tampered with in photoshop, but it doesn't reveal what was altered.
Speaking of EXIF data, always check it for geotagging. Don't accidentally give people your GPS coordinates.
Even if no original is uploaded, rapid advances in image processing mean it's wise to assume that it's leaking vastly more information than you might realise is possible. For example, it turns out you can (sometimes) identify a photographer from the reflection in the subject's eye: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0083325
While reflections and such are something to keep in mind, the images used in that article are very, very high resolution. This isn't something you could pull off with smaller images. You can download the lower resolution .png of figure 2 and zoom in on the eye to test it- at the lower resolution (which is a pretty normal res for image posted online) no faces are visible in the reflection. Without an ultra high-resolution original available, there is not and never will be a way to enhance the image to get a recognizable face out of something with no detail.
Obviously though, posting any image is going to carry some amount of risk and the safest thing to do is to not post any images, which is why I don't do it. There are ways to reduce risk, but none of them can eliminate it entirely. Even if you post only original, very low resolution images of solid colored animals against plain backdrops, all metadata removed, there's still a possibility the images might be found on your phone or computer even if deleted. You should always be assuming that anything you post, be it photos or text, will be seen by people you wouldn't want seeing it and who are smarter than you.
You covered everything I was about to write in your second paragraph. :)