Anyone here into pigs? Why are most zoophiles into dogs and horses? (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2016-01-28 22:34:47 by kitambalarazbitros

To clear something up, I am not a zoophile, but I've recently found out that one of my friends (not such a close friend tho) is. And he is attracted to pigs, which to me was...well you can imagine, very surprising to say the least.

So I'm wondering, are there any zoophiles here that are attracted to other animals, besides a pig or a dog?

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duskwuff 1 point on 2016-01-28 23:45:44

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SunTzuSaidThat 6 points on 2016-01-28 23:51:08

Sure. Once you cross the species barrier once it's not hard to do it again. A lot of zoos have more than one species that they'd get freaky with.

For example, my overwhelming primary interest is in equines. However I also find cetaceans (orcas, dolphins), cervines, and a few other scattered species appealing to a lesser degree. Plenty of folks have primary interests in species that are secondary to me or aren't even on my radar. Examples include specific species of birds, big cats, bovines, and goats. I'm sure they'll chime in.

Your latter title question has eluded a concrete answer on most forums in which it has been asked. The best answer I can come up with is that is a combination of reproductive compatibility, social attachment, anthropomorphization, cultural reputation, and access to the species in question. By social attachment and cultural reputation I mean to describe how our manifold cultures respect, admire, and include some species in our daily lives and social sphere moreso than others.

At least in the anglophone western world, dogs and horses are heavily present and respected in the cultural consciousness, are often anthropomorphized, are not difficult to access, and are reproductively compatible with human beings. Dogs moreso than horses, which leads to dogs being in the majority (60%) of zoos' spheres of preference. This paradigm may be very different elsewhere due to major cultural differences (like, for example, in the middle east), but folks have not done sufficient research to establish any trends, especially since many other regions are underrepresented on the internet.

Edit: Also, I'd like to thank you for being so open minded and level-headed. You're coming here looking for more information and you don't seem to have any malice towards your friend for coming out, which is amazing...I wish there were more people like you in the world. Thank you.

Lefthandedsock 4 points on 2016-01-29 00:44:07

Because they're common and well represented, they're generally pleasant creatures with compassion and a desire to please, and they have (subjectively) awesome genitalia, if that's something that matters to you.

I'm personally not a fan of pigs, because I find them unattractive and unpredictable, and I think they have silly little corkscrew willies.

However, there are many creatures besides dogs and horses whom I would be willing to please, given the opportunity.

To name a few; Essentially any canine/vulpine except crappy little dogs, nearly any equine, raccoons, big cats, maybe dolphins.

Of course, some of those would simply be too dangerous. Big cats particularly. I'd totally be willing to get with a wolf though, danger be damned!

Swibblestein 4 points on 2016-01-29 04:38:38

Quite a few zoos have pretty broad animal interests, but I think often they go unmentioned when they are "unfeasible". That is, someone might not mention that they are attracted to some species if that species is very exotic, highly dangerous, or otherwise inaccessible, when there are species which are much more standard to mention.

But if you ask deeper, often you find that there is some attraction to a variety of species.

To answer your question on a personal note though: Sea Lions.

wright-one ursidae canidae pantherinae 1 point on 2016-01-29 08:22:01

To answer your question on a personal note though: Sea Lions.

YES! ha .. so very uncommon, but pinnepeds... yeah..... some of the odd ones like elephant seals .. no thanks... but there are many seals and sea lions that i find attractive.

Swibblestein 2 points on 2016-01-29 08:28:05

Glad to see someone else agrees! Seriously, it's hard for me to understand why there isn't more of a Sea Lion fanclub, because to me they are so amazingly attractive.

And yes, elephant seals are funky looking. California Sea Lions and Fur Seals though... Yes.

wright-one ursidae canidae pantherinae 1 point on 2016-01-29 09:07:57

California Sea Lions and Fur Seals though... Yes.

HELL yes... leopard seals, too...

Soveee 2 points on 2016-01-29 05:24:56

Dogs were literally breed to have great personalities, and to be visually appealing. Therefore, they are very attractive partners. A similar argument could be made for horses. Very few other animals are breed for their appearance.

ursusem 1 point on 2016-01-29 18:51:23

So, in your view, are the wild animal species not visually appealing?

HeartBeatOfTheBeast Hoof and Claw 1 point on 2016-01-31 23:49:50

I agree with ursusem, aren't wolves and tigers beautiful.

wright-one ursidae canidae pantherinae 2 points on 2016-02-03 07:03:26

i think he was just trying to explain why dogs and horses are more commonly found attractive vs. wild animals, not intending to say that they aren't. i could be wrong.

wright-one ursidae canidae pantherinae 1 point on 2016-01-29 09:05:38

as has been said, oftentimes other species don't get mentioned because they're too dangerous, too difficult to get access too, etc.

i feel self-conscious about my many interests because it makes me fear people think "good god, you'd fuck anything with a warm hole, wouldn't you?" but it most definitely isn't just about sex. i find so many animals to be absolutely beautiful or at least attractive enough to be curious about.

if it were possible, my species of choice would be a bear (grizzly, polar, andean or asiatic black bear being my favorites). i was attracted primarily to tigers (and lions to a slightly lesser extent) before 6-8 years ago. no idea why it changed for me. i still find big cats to be attractive, but just not as much as bears now. others include the common ones (dogs and horses), but also hyenas, various wild canines, assorted small carnivores (raccoons, wolverines, badgers), various bovines, deer, cetaceans, pinnepeds (primarily sea lions), kangaroos, lemurs, giraffes, elephants... they all hold some interest to me for one reason or another.

ursusem 1 point on 2016-01-29 19:05:49

I was just wondering, are you not attracted to all bear species? Why are grizzly, polar, andean and asiatic blacks your favorites? Also it's not impossible to have a close relationship with a bear you know, right? There are plenty of examples to show it is possible...

wright-one ursidae canidae pantherinae 1 point on 2016-01-30 07:26:19

much like some people are only attracted to certain breeds of dogs, yes, i'm not attracted to all bears. especially sun bears... (sorry for any sun bear fans out there). not much of a fan of sloth bears, either. black bears are ok sometimes, and i forgot about pandas, which i like (and i think i'm forgetting another species).

and you're right, it's not impossible. but it's damn unlikely. the fencing and other housing required is not cheap; you have to be in an area where it's legal to own a bear; you're likely to have better luck raising a cub .. but what happens if that cub turns out to not be friendly once it reaches adulthood in .. what, 4-6 years? considerable time and financial investment to have "just" a pet bear .. so no, not impossible, but not exactly something anyone can just do.

AXwoof Canines + 3 points on 2016-01-29 13:48:02

I guess it's because Dogs and Horses are most domesticated, and have been partners of humans for loooong time, and I think somehow this attraction developed over the years inside of the human genes, and some people (like zoophiles) experience it.

I am also into 1. dogs 2. horses (mares) 3. other female mammals, and realized that BEFORE I knew what zoophilia even is. For me pigs are interesting too, but not my beauty ideal lol.

To mention: my attraction to animals completely replaces the feelings for humans. I could be good friends with a guy or girl, but totally can't imagine a closer relationship (including sex) with a human.

wright-one ursidae canidae pantherinae 1 point on 2016-01-30 06:27:42

forgot to mention pigs in my post, but similar to you .. it's sexual interest pretty much exclusively. i don't really find them attractive.. same could be said for llamas and camels, i guess.

ursusem 2 points on 2016-01-29 18:37:34

I'm attracted to bears. I'm not interested in any other animals zoophilicly- even if I may admire the appearance of other animals (other than bears) often.

dogsrgreat 1 point on 2016-01-29 18:53:25

There is clearly some interest in pigs among the existing network of people who enjoy bestiality porn as the response to the recent(ish) release of some pig/woman porn illustrates. However, it appears that the people involved in the video were approaching it from the humiliation and degradation angle, which is certainly not my thing, and not from a particularly zoophilic angle. By contrast, I believe the same individuals to be genuine dog lovers who have given a lot of money to animal welfare causes etc.

I have to say that to me it is a very unattractive proposition - it seems dangerous due to the unpredictability and size of the animal, and it is my opinion that the health and hygiene risks are out of all proportion to those of engaging in sexual activity with dogs and horses. Furthermore, pigs are not particularly pretty or handsome (I am guessing most people would see my point) and very few people have close relationships with pigs in the way that they have with dogs and even horses.

furvert_tail Equine, large canid 3 points on 2016-01-29 19:09:38

I don't follow bestiality porn, but I'd assume any new interest in pigs would be down to recent allegations made about Prime Minister David Cameron.

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SandraSickfuck 2 points on 2016-01-29 20:08:22

Everybody is serious and talk about this. I'm on my phone and can't type much so I'll just make a short statement.

Pigs are hot.

Rannoch2002 Deer Zoo 2 points on 2016-01-30 11:45:27

It's accessibility and exposure largely that makes zoos prefer dogs/horses. They are the most easy to get and we witness them a lot in our daily lives.

My first partner was a deer by sheer chance. If not for that, I'd probably qualify as a canine zoo.

ursusem 1 point on 2016-01-30 17:12:29

Is it just me or do the majority of zoophiles have no imagination?

Rannoch2002 Deer Zoo 1 point on 2016-01-30 21:35:11

It's not really a matter of imagination at all, it's more a matter of what most of us can realistically expect to achieve in life.

ursusem 2 points on 2016-01-30 23:46:18

you're supposed to "dream big" and "follow your heart"

Rannoch2002 Deer Zoo 2 points on 2016-01-31 05:46:58

They also told me I could "be whatever I wanted to be" in gradeschool. I did, in a way, I became a zoophile. That's more imagination than most of humanity manages IMO.

ursusem 1 point on 2016-01-31 05:50:19

True. I'm just throwing some ideas around

the_egoldstein 1 point on 2016-01-31 10:38:01

I disagree here, if we're settling on what we can realistically expect to achieve we'd all be chasing other humans as they're the most available and easiest to acquire.

I don't discount that exposure to domesticated species and the romanticizing of some wild species (deer and wolves predominantly) plays a part in what we find most enticing. I also don't argue that for some, their interests lie with non-human animals which are difficult or impossible to form a relationship with and they, by necessity, must either seek a less desirable partner or remain forever unrequited.

Rannoch2002 Deer Zoo 1 point on 2016-01-31 18:07:22

I think you're confusing "easiest" and "realistically expect to achieve" here. The two sentences do not mean the same thing. The latter means, what is likely possible in life, not what is easiest.

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the_egoldstein 1 point on 2016-02-01 02:39:53

I am disagreeing with what I read to be the implication that we're settling on what we can get, rather than going after what we desire. To be clear, I am objecting to "realistically expect to achieve" as perhaps your expectations are not the same as mine.

Rannoch2002 Deer Zoo 1 point on 2016-02-01 03:38:07

I was speaking from the mindset of an individual. For most people, it is out of the reasonable realm of possibility to be with a wild animal even IF that is their first attraction. It wasn't for me, but everyeone's criteria is different. Doesn't mean we don't have any (though admitedly, some people don't have to worry about settling on something "subpar", I didn't mean to imply otherwise).

I mean, I could be sexually attracted to alien species, but I'd probably be better off settling for something a little more accessible. Maybe Joe-Schmoe feels he can realsitically build a spaceship and have sex with E.T. More power to him.

wright-one ursidae canidae pantherinae 2 points on 2016-01-31 02:58:48

has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with imagination or lack of imagination. some people just aren't attracted to other species. there's nothing wrong with that.

ursusem 2 points on 2016-01-31 03:47:37

In some cases, though, it is because of lack of imagination. Like Rannoch just said, "they are most easy to get and we witness them a lot in our daily lives." To me that translates to a lack of imaginative power. But not that that matters any. I was just making an observation.

wright-one ursidae canidae pantherinae 3 points on 2016-01-31 08:21:49

i find it insulting to tell someone that because they only love X or Y they're unimaginative.

larblac 1 point on 2016-02-02 09:06:33

lawl, someone's orientation is a lack of imagination. Stop being cancer.

ursusem 1 point on 2016-02-02 09:42:09

I just don't see what's so great about the kinds of animals that zoophiles are most commonly and usually attracted to.

the_egoldstein 1 point on 2016-02-03 04:02:47

And the average Joe doesn't see what's so great about bears, dogs, horses, chupacabras, etc.

Did you wake up one day and say to yourself, "Hey me, let's love and desire something difficult. I'm gonna dedicate my life to this difficult and socially unacceptable love. Making my life harder is great!"

I suspect you decided as much about your attractions as the rest of us.

the_egoldstein 2 points on 2016-01-31 08:18:14

So you're attracted to just bears then? By your own standard, do you have no imagination?

I don't see how "imagination" has anything to do with it, if I were using my imagination and choosing what I found appealing, honestly I'd work on finding a human appealing as it'd be way more convenient, but alas, I don't find them especially appealing.

karachitomarrakech 1 point on 2016-01-30 12:10:17

No, because I know they're haram. I mean, pigs literally eat shit. However goats and sheep are permissable, but only if there is no woman nearby.

wright-one ursidae canidae pantherinae 1 point on 2016-02-03 07:05:08

dogs eat shit, too..

DRLaQc Leopards 1 point on 2016-01-31 01:02:16

I'm almost exclusively attracted to leopards (and sort of for jaguars, pumas and tigers). This sucks because there's no chance of any safe relationship, so I'm mostly limited to photos of genitals or art. There's some good stuff out there but new material doesn't show up often. I sometimes look for content with dogs or horses, but mostly because it's a lot more abundant.

Before I used prefer cetaceans and reptiles, but only at a sexual level, not romantic. I'm not as interested as before, but I still like cetaceans quite a bit.

ursusem 2 points on 2016-01-31 01:16:30

It's so interesting how everyone relates to different kinds of animals differently. One feels romantically toward cetaceans and another does not etc.

Ubiystvo 1 point on 2016-02-01 17:24:25

If you do not count a wolf as a dog, then I guess I would be different.

30-30 amator equae 1 point on 2016-02-03 10:03:47

Let´s just stop the generalisations here: attraction towards an animal species can have multiple reasons. First, there´s the issue of accessibility. That´s why dogs always are on top of the list. They´re easily accessible, anyone can buy one and does not have to change his normal life for that. Second, it´s about aestethics. Fur is seen as cuddly, that´s way the furred animals usually range in the top section, even if it is totally unrealistic (tigers, lions, bears etc.) to have sex with them. Third, it´s about exposure. Hannibal Lecter said that "we yearn for what we see"...and that´s another part of reality. If you have never had contact with a certain species, you´ll probably never be even thinking about making love to this species.

Another separation has to be made between hetero- and homosexual encounters with animals. i won´t tell a big secret here, but I´m sure some people will react negatively when I say that with homosexual bestiality, it´s basically all about dick size and unusual shape.Compared to a pig, a bull or many other animals, dogs and horses have the biggest penises, that may be one major explanation why you seldom hear about other species involved in homo bestiality. i assume that you got your notion that ,in zoophilia, it all focuses about dogs and horses from watching animal pornography. May I remind you that porn isn´t the best evidence for what really happens in this orientation? You stumble across two big segments: one features women with animals, the other features men being penetrated by animals. You see, even there it´s all about being penetrated by huge and unusally shaped dicks. So, we´re back at dogs and horses again. Of course there are some individuals who do it with more "unusual" animals, but given the fact that these guys mostly are from the "If it has a hole, I´ll gonna fuck it" kind and many of them see it as a life achievement to have sex with any animal species, you wont really count them as zoos, but as FATWs (fucks anything that walks).

From a true zoophile´s point of view, the variety of species it´s possible to have ethical and safe sexual realtions with isn´t really vast...with many animals such as bird and reptiles, it simply is unethical to have sex with because they´re too small or incompatible regarding the sex organs. Some mammal species also fall under the category "too small". Other animal species are simply too big 8rhinoceros, elephant etc.) and/ or extremely unsafe to deal with (predators and wild animals). So, there´s only a small variety of species it´s ethical and safe to have sex with, but it surely isn´t limited to the two species you have named. I´ve met many dog zoos, distinctively less horse zoos and a few people with an affection for species like deer, pigs, bovines, sheep, goats etc; okay, it´s rare to find someone like this, but they do exist. You see, there are many different factors playing a role in what species are chosen for sex...there´s no simple answer that can explain every zoo´s decision. It depends on the zoos/beasties motive to have sex with an animal (real love for a species/availability/ attractiveness of the animals sexual organs/comparability with "normal" human sex/ seeing animals as a substitute like a lonely shepherd who does it with a sheep...)