Interestingly, in Scandinavia, the rate of neutering/spaying dogs is quite low, yet we still seem to have fewer homeless dogs than in the US where most pets are neutered before adoption. I guess it's about how you treat your pets: if you have a single dog, and keep it on leash when outside, no unwanted pregnancies will occur. If you crowd your pets, or let them go homeless, all sorts of things may happen.
Also, since the main point of neutering pets is avoiding new litters, I don't get it why it's so uncommon to do a vasectomies instead of castration? I've heard this is the more popular option among those who use their dogs for sports, since testosterone helps to build muscle. Yet, few people (and even few vets!) talk about this option.
WeAreDifferentCanines 4 points on 2016-05-20 23:15:06
I guess it's about how you treat your pets: if you have a single dog, and keep it on leash when outside, no unwanted pregnancies will occur. If you crowd your pets, or let them go homeless, all sorts of things may happen.
Exactly this. I don't get why most people aren't able to have some manual control over this. It's so easy to avoid unwanted pregnancy.
zetacola+ Rum 3 points on 2016-05-21 03:46:50
Still, there are tons of dogs stuck in shelters and thousands more killed every day. The average dog owner is not a responsible one.
WeAreDifferentCanines 3 points on 2016-05-21 10:38:07
I forgot, we are talking about humans. They can't even have control over their own pregnancies.
zetacola+ Rum 5 points on 2016-05-21 03:45:33
Also, since the main point of neutering pets is avoiding new litters
Also to diffuse the "behavioral issues" of unfixed pets.
SusitarCanidae 5 points on 2016-05-21 08:55:32
Oh, yes, like someone on tumblr who I remember claimed that all intact males are going to have aggression problems... Most dogs I know are intact, and that includes the males. They are normal, nice dogs.
zetacola+ Rum 4 points on 2016-05-21 18:16:13
tumblr
There's your problem mate.
Battlecropsdogs, cats, snakes, ungulates 1 point on 2016-05-22 03:20:14
I hear that from lots of non-tumblr people, actually. Plenty of people think all intact dogs are aggressive, mark on everything, and will break leashes/fences/doors to get to females because apparently, since they're intact, literally all they can think about is sex.
zetacola+ Rum 1 point on 2016-05-22 19:54:36
All I think about is sex and I'd happily break leashes/fences/doors to have sex with female dogs, so maybe there's a bit of truth there. :P
furvert_tailEquine, large canid 1 point on 2016-05-22 20:16:44
since they're intact, literally all they can think about is sex.
So, just like intact human men then. :P
actuallynotazoophileok, I lied 7 points on 2016-05-21 06:26:21
If I've learned anything from /r/dogs its that unspayed bitches will always spontaneously become pregnant no matter how careful you are. science be damned. oh and if you try to point that out be prepared to be buried in downvotes.
I hate how people pretend speutering is anything more than an operation to make dogs more convenient for them.
zetacola+ Rum 3 points on 2016-05-21 18:31:32
If I've learned anything from /r/dogs its that unspayed bitches will always spontaneously become pregnant no matter how careful you are.
It's a well known fact. Dogs reproduce asexually.
It's also interesting to see the number of posts on /r/dogs about bitches dying under the scalpel or from complications after the surgery. Oops, the vet just "lost" your dog. Too bad. Better luck next time.
I once considered the very prevalent danger of pyometra as a good argument in favor of spaying, but I learned recently that the surgery does not even completely eliminate the risk of an infection developing in the uterine stump, especially if the operation was botched.
actuallynotazoophileok, I lied 1 point on 2016-05-21 20:16:17
It's also interesting to see the number of posts on /r/dogs about bitches dying under the scalpel or from complications after the surgery. Oops, the vet just "lost" your dog. Too bad. Better luck next time.
are you referencing that thread from a few weeks back where the person had the perfectly healthy and happy dog that the owner was perfectly happy with before they took her in for a 'routine spay' before complications meant they lost her? That thread was sickening. I couldn't believe what I was reading when I looked through the comments.
Dont get me started on people posting photos of their newly butchered dog "look how unhappy they look, lol!"
ugh.
zetacola+ Rum 5 points on 2016-05-21 20:50:56
Yup, but it wasn't the only thread of that nature.
I find it weird how people go apeshit against cropping, docking, devocalisation and the like but actively encourage invasive surgeries when it comes to the sexuality of the animal. Someone who can't handle a whole, intact animal and all that it entails should simply not own one.
actuallynotazoophileok, I lied 2 points on 2016-05-21 21:55:57
Someone who can't handle a whole, intact animal and all that it entails should simply not own one.
yup, agree 100%
incognito-cognition 1 point on 2016-05-27 12:56:01
If I've learned two things talking to animal people (even zoophiles) over the years, it's: 1) don't expect logic, and 2) don't expect consistency.
WeAreDifferentCanines 3 points on 2016-05-22 03:36:35
/r/dogs is certainly one of the worst places of reddit, really. The hypocrisy can hardly be any greater anywhere else.
Me: asks about a very common dog behavior and any advice for how to deal with it
/r/dogs: "Well, clearly, those are signs of abuse from early age. Blah blah blah" continues to write a whole essay about how wrong I treat my dog, how unhappy it is with me and what I did do wrong in the past, accusing me of doing things I've never did. Knowing everything about me like he knows my mothers phone number even.
Me: explaining that I did, in fact, NOT abuse my dog
/r/dogs: "You don't have to make excuses. You don't need to be ashamed to be at fault, except you should try to learn from that and move on to be a better pet owner in the future."
Me: What. the. fuck.
It's like looking up medical advice on the internet. 95% of the results turn out to be cancer. The cancer in this /r/dogs subreddit is real though.
Hirtenhund1411 7 points on 2016-05-21 02:00:37
All I have to say is, how come it took this long for people to figure this out? I mean people can see what castration does to people, why'd they think it'd be any different on animals?
In Ted Kerasote's book "Pukka's Promise" he devoted a whole chapter to the issue, suggesting vasectomy and tubal ligation be promoted to people instead which I think for the US would be best, cause let's face it, people seem less responsible with animals on average than in Western/Northern Europe but then again it's harder to obtain a dog there like in Germany you need a dog licence and you'd pay a "dog tax" but on the upside that money is used to maintain all the shelters in the country and they're all "no kill" in fact German animal welfare law forbids euthanizing unless overly aggressive or terminal illness.
WeAreDifferentCanines 2 points on 2016-05-22 03:22:22
Anthropocentrism is the belief that human beings are the central or most significant species on the planet (in the sense that they are considered to have a moral status or value higher than that of all other organisms), or the assessment of reality through an exclusively human perspective.
Humans just love being humans. Animals being similar to humans? "NO WAY!"
Aluzky 1 point on 2016-06-02 10:14:27
I been debating for years on youtube against spay/neutering as it is detrimental to dogs health. Sadly, most vets don'0t know about this fact, or they know it and take advantage of it as it makes the dogs sicker (which means more profit from treating the sicker dogs)
zetacola+ Rum 1 point on 2016-06-02 15:46:13
Take it from me, don't waste your time debating on youtube.
Aluzky 1 point on 2016-06-02 16:52:26
Is not a total waste of time, some people are open minded, rational and intelligent. They end up understanding facts.
/r/zoophilia archive
Interestingly, in Scandinavia, the rate of neutering/spaying dogs is quite low, yet we still seem to have fewer homeless dogs than in the US where most pets are neutered before adoption. I guess it's about how you treat your pets: if you have a single dog, and keep it on leash when outside, no unwanted pregnancies will occur. If you crowd your pets, or let them go homeless, all sorts of things may happen.
Also, since the main point of neutering pets is avoiding new litters, I don't get it why it's so uncommon to do a vasectomies instead of castration? I've heard this is the more popular option among those who use their dogs for sports, since testosterone helps to build muscle. Yet, few people (and even few vets!) talk about this option.
Exactly this. I don't get why most people aren't able to have some manual control over this. It's so easy to avoid unwanted pregnancy.
Still, there are tons of dogs stuck in shelters and thousands more killed every day. The average dog owner is not a responsible one.
I forgot, we are talking about humans. They can't even have control over their own pregnancies.
Also to diffuse the "behavioral issues" of unfixed pets.
Oh, yes, like someone on tumblr who I remember claimed that all intact males are going to have aggression problems... Most dogs I know are intact, and that includes the males. They are normal, nice dogs.
There's your problem mate.
I hear that from lots of non-tumblr people, actually. Plenty of people think all intact dogs are aggressive, mark on everything, and will break leashes/fences/doors to get to females because apparently, since they're intact, literally all they can think about is sex.
All I think about is sex and I'd happily break leashes/fences/doors to have sex with female dogs, so maybe there's a bit of truth there. :P
So, just like intact human men then. :P
If I've learned anything from /r/dogs its that unspayed bitches will always spontaneously become pregnant no matter how careful you are. science be damned. oh and if you try to point that out be prepared to be buried in downvotes.
I hate how people pretend speutering is anything more than an operation to make dogs more convenient for them.
It's a well known fact. Dogs reproduce asexually.
It's also interesting to see the number of posts on /r/dogs about bitches dying under the scalpel or from complications after the surgery. Oops, the vet just "lost" your dog. Too bad. Better luck next time.
I once considered the very prevalent danger of pyometra as a good argument in favor of spaying, but I learned recently that the surgery does not even completely eliminate the risk of an infection developing in the uterine stump, especially if the operation was botched.
are you referencing that thread from a few weeks back where the person had the perfectly healthy and happy dog that the owner was perfectly happy with before they took her in for a 'routine spay' before complications meant they lost her? That thread was sickening. I couldn't believe what I was reading when I looked through the comments.
Dont get me started on people posting photos of their newly butchered dog "look how unhappy they look, lol!"
ugh.
Yup, but it wasn't the only thread of that nature.
I find it weird how people go apeshit against cropping, docking, devocalisation and the like but actively encourage invasive surgeries when it comes to the sexuality of the animal. Someone who can't handle a whole, intact animal and all that it entails should simply not own one.
yup, agree 100%
If I've learned two things talking to animal people (even zoophiles) over the years, it's: 1) don't expect logic, and 2) don't expect consistency.
/r/dogs is certainly one of the worst places of reddit, really. The hypocrisy can hardly be any greater anywhere else.
It's like looking up medical advice on the internet. 95% of the results turn out to be cancer. The cancer in this /r/dogs subreddit is real though.
All I have to say is, how come it took this long for people to figure this out? I mean people can see what castration does to people, why'd they think it'd be any different on animals?
In Ted Kerasote's book "Pukka's Promise" he devoted a whole chapter to the issue, suggesting vasectomy and tubal ligation be promoted to people instead which I think for the US would be best, cause let's face it, people seem less responsible with animals on average than in Western/Northern Europe but then again it's harder to obtain a dog there like in Germany you need a dog licence and you'd pay a "dog tax" but on the upside that money is used to maintain all the shelters in the country and they're all "no kill" in fact German animal welfare law forbids euthanizing unless overly aggressive or terminal illness.
Anthropocentrism
Humans just love being humans. Animals being similar to humans? "NO WAY!"
I been debating for years on youtube against spay/neutering as it is detrimental to dogs health. Sadly, most vets don'0t know about this fact, or they know it and take advantage of it as it makes the dogs sicker (which means more profit from treating the sicker dogs)
Take it from me, don't waste your time debating on youtube.
Is not a total waste of time, some people are open minded, rational and intelligent. They end up understanding facts.