How do you feel about veganism and vegan philosophy? are you vegan yourself? (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2016-09-06 00:44:08 by thelongestusernameee these posts are too deep for me. im starting to get all weird ag
ive been wondering if there was any kind of link between zoophilia and veganism.
Edit: Honestly, Im surprised. I always just assumed that people with close connections to animals will feel bad about eating them, but it seems i was pretty wrong and it's more of a personal connection. thanks for all your answers! (and more are still welcomed :))
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Don't eat meat, but eggs.
It's not the best thing to do, but it's better than eat meat.
Does it also extend to beans?
What about Seitan?
I don't think there's much of a link, I've known a great many folks who were staunch meat eaters, rigid vegans, and everything in between.
I myself am a convenient vegetarian, I avoid meat due to some ethical questions I haven't resolved, but I don't refuse food with meat in it. Essentially, if I'm chosing my food, I choose vegetarian, but I will eat what I am served. I excuse the laxness in order to not create social tension for those who do not share my diet. I don't care what anyone else eats and certainly would not impose my restrictions on others.
"Convenient" vegetarian? If you´re eating meat, you´re NOT a vegetarian....goddammit! Stop trying to coin these shitty terms. Social tension? You gotta be kidding...
The more shitty things like this I read, the more I become a "convenient" pacifist. I abstain from violence, but deal out massive damage via hands and feet to avoid "social tension"....
It´s nice you don´t impose your "restrictions" on others...but it´s easy to do when you basically admit you have no such restrictions as you eat meat.
FYI: Eating meat, for whatever "reason" you can come up with = NOT VEGETARIAN!!!
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Whatever man, your relevance diminishes with every post.
I readily admit that I am not so strict that I will cause problems when I am with important family and friends. I eat vegetarian even then when I can, but I would rather eat a little meat on special occasions than make someone I care about feel awkward in my rejecting a meal they lovingly prepared for me. You don't have to like my way of choosing what I eat, it does not matter to me.
Ya you're full of shit.
I hate those people who eat fish and call them selves vegetarians.
i think hate is a bit far, but it is really annoying. fish are animals, which means the majority of their flesh is considered meat
I was just being hyperbolic.
There is no fucking reason to refuse an offered plate of food.
Look yourself on a mirror, and tell "I will put to trash a plate with meat because I'm too rigid to eat it."
Myself, I never buy or cook meat. Because I don't like meat.
But I eat what it offered to me. The animal is already dead, there is no point to make it dead to be discarded.
If you eat it, whoever offers it to you will continue buying more meat and offering it to you the next time.
If you refuse, the next time they will either not buy anything for you or they will buy something else. Either way there is less money going to the meat industry in the long run.
Or I say "Usually, I don't eat meat, but I'll eat it this time, because I won't waste it."
I refuse to waste anything. Especially food.
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Choosing to eat vegetarian meals is still a good shift. It's not about the status of being vegetarian, it's about minimizing that negative impact ✌
It might be a connection between loved animal and eating meat or no.
Those who love horses may be vegetarian.
Those who love dogs may not be vegetarian.
Like a mimetism, to be closer to the loved animal.
But, by experience, I think there is no real connection between zoosexuality and being vegetarian.
I eat meat. Humans are just another animal, other animals with the possibility to be omnivorous eat meat too. So I don't view it as unethical to eat meat.
But for environmental reasons, I'd like to cut down on the amount of red meat I eat. I hope to one day be able to keep my own chickens and rabbits and be self-sustaining for meat, but at the moment I live in a small apartment in the city.
I'm not attracted to any species traditionally used for cooking. Canines are not normally on the menu in North Europe.
Eating meat may not have an inherent negative impact, but I think the methods with which that meat is obtained is pretty sketchy. Just another thing to think about. A lot of companies treat their animals pretty poorly, especially in chicken and pork industries.
I'm all for people hunting or visiting small local farms as an alternative to buying mass supermarket meat because there really is a difference in the treatment of animals.
As an industry, meat production is the single most polluting human endeavor, as well as a major player in global deforestation and soil erosion. Diets high in animal protein/red meat directly increase odds of cancer, heart disease and general mortality regardless of cause.
I'm not saying the treatment of animals shouldn't be a big concern, but it's far from being the only one.
You're absolutely right, there are many benefits environmentally and individually that one can obtain through veganism. I overshadowed these with the animal ethics mainly due to the initial direction of OP as well as what I hold most important.
If veganism were adopted on a mainstream scale, it would provide an enormous decrease in cost of production of foods, monetarily for the consumers but also in terms of things like land utilized and water required to sustain production
Exactly. I would want animals to be treated as on my grandparents farm. Plenty of time outdoors in fresh air and fed a varied diet. That's why it's my dream to have some poultry of my own.
Im a dog lover, also a vegan. I went vegan about 6 months ago because I was a Vegetarian before that for about a year. I moved in with a vegan friend so that helped a lot. I did it because I felt personally that I wanted to minimize the negative impact I had towards animals. This includes cruelty free products as well etc. It's definitely an easy thing to do if you live in the right area(many many grocery store vegan alternatives here) to the point where it really only affects eating out. I also praise those who are on the path toward veganism or vegetarianism or even just eating opportunistic meals. Doing like a couple vegetarian meals a week is still a goal in my eyes, I used to eat meat so I understand how it could be difficult sometimes.
What do you feed your dog?
My guys both eat the taste of the wild salmon blend which is supplemented as of recently with a frozen Kong full of wet food each day. My older dog has digestion problems so he started on the totw and when I got my second dog I just started feeding him the same stuff.I haven't really looked into vegan or even raw too much bur given the time and consideration of dietary needs its something I may try in the future as the day to day flow of things picks back up.
I cant wait to share a steak by candlelight with my future mate <3
I'm definitely not a vegetarian. I can see why people do it and I think it's a great thing to do, but it doesn't interest me in the slightest.
Would I rather have more animals killed or less?
Would I rather have more animals kept in deplorable conditions?
http://theirturn.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/gestation-crates-factory-farm.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Animal_Abuse_Battery_Cage_02.jpg
Why is this even a question for people?
Because a lot of people nowadays are pretty numb to the stuff they see and learn on the internet. Some people fail to draw the connection.
I believe you have your answer.
I'm not vegetarian or vegan and I don't pretend I am. However, I buy very little in terms of meat or dairy products and generally tell people I like to keep to a vegetarian diet as much as possible. I generally "cheat" only when I eat out. If I'm going to pay 20$ for a plate, might as well enjoy what's in it.
If I ever have a dog, I'll feed her almost exclusively meat... which really defeats the entire purpose. And besides, labels are stupid.
Some surprise foods like frosted poptarts and gummy worms are not vegetarian just so you're aware. I have found that having to read labels and the like makes me a bit more conscious of what I am putting into my body in general. But yeah both of those have gelatin. There's other foods that have things like powdered beef and stuff too that you wouldn't expect so if you do want to cut down more in the future that's just something to keep in mind :)
Oh, I meant "labels" in the sense of "I don't want to label myself vegetarian," not actual labels on products... lol
But yeah, I definitively knew about gelatin not being vegetarian. The number of food items that people are unaware involve by-products of slaughter and animal products is astonishing in general. Did you know most cheeses are not even vegetarian?
But like I said, I'm not vegetarian. I'm doing my part to minimize my contribution to the meat industry, but I see absolutely no point in becoming overly zealous about it.
Yeah I was aware lol just wanted to inject a lesser known fact
I'm a vegetarian, though I don't know how much being a zoophile factored into that.
I don't really have any inherent problem with eating meat, except that the industry is pretty abusive overall, and I'm not going to put in the effort and money to try to find groups that are treating their animals humanely. Much easier to avoid it altogether.
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Like many others, I am not a vegetarian though I tend to avoid meat enough that people make surprised remarks when I eat it.
I think the key is that zoophiles usually have a close connection to SOME animals - but not necessarily the ones which are often eaten. It's even more rare that people are killing their own food, or even preparing their own food these days, so people aren't even conscious that what they're eating once had bones or blood or a personality.
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There is something of a link, I've noticed. I'm not a vegetarian myself, but my take on it is here.
I'm an avid carnivore, got my own chickens and rather slaughter the animal myself so that I can be sure that the animal lived a good life.
If anything, i tend to get products that are reduced price, because otherwise they'd be thrown out (I hate meat products being wasted)
Vegan and vegetarianism makes no sense to me. Plants are just as alive as animals are, and science is slowly proving this. Things eating other things is how life works, we just have to make peace with it.
Some people tell me it's more to protest factory farming, but that also doesn't make sense. It'd say more if people bought meat and dairy from small ethical farms than it would to just not buy it at all. At least in the US we vote with our dollars, and by not voting, it lets the big business win.
But they arent conscious. Which is at least partially due to the fact that the cant move much and due to the nature of plant cells in general. show me a plant brain (or an equivalent/ something capable of processing and using sensory data) and then you can bring up that subject.
There are a ton of things debunking the appeal to nature fallacy, but im going to make it short. Your computer isnt "How life works" yet you and billions of other humans have no problem using them.
well yes, SOME vegans do it becuase of that, but here's the thing: when the factory farms fall and the "ethical" farms rise, they'll have to scale up production in order to meet demand. And that means they'll just become the new factory farms. Factory farming is currently the only possible way to keep up with demand for animal products.
And with the last one, you could argue that we could just have a lot of small scale farms, which would work..
until they start to combine, go bankrupt, or change into something else. Then eventually they'll only be a few left who will expand to fill the gap left by the others and guess what? you have factory farms again!
I would imagine that zoosexuals have like a 1% or 2% more vegans that the normal population. But yea, I would assume majority are hypocrites who have no problems with animals being murdered for them to eat them as long as they are not the species they like) (you can't claim to love animals if you are ok with them being needlessly murdered)
I personally turned "vegan" like a year or 2 ago, maybe 3? For a long time I was under the idea that murdering animals in a human way was Ok. Good thing asshole vegans slapped facts on my face and made me change my mind about that. I'm technically a flexetarian, my diet is 99.8% vegan, 0.2% non-vegan.
If some one leaves meat and is going to waste, I will eat it (or find a hungry dog to give it to them) I have got meat out of the garbage just because someone didn't finish it. I have no problems with eating by products either as those don't support much the meat industries (they make profit from the meat and not from selling hearths or eye balls) though is not like I buy them, I actively avoid animal by products. And I now feed my dogs low quality food as that is mostly grains and by products from slaughter houses. High quality food is made with prime cuts of meats, so feeding high quality food to a dog would defeat the purpose of being vegan as such food support the killing of innocent animals.
You can actually feed a home made vegan diet to a dog (as long as you use B12 supplements and some other stuff)
i was thinking the same thing. Im just too scared to say it. having sex with some animals and eating others minutes later is just hypoctitical