Hey all. /u/btwIAMAzoophile and I have been doing quite a bit of backend stuff since the election; some simple restructuring into a more active moderation system in anticipation of any significant growth in the future as well as working on trimming inactive moderators. While we've deliberated amongst ourselves about those changes, we agreed that the front end is something that should be deliberated between us and the members of the community. We're going to be using what is known as contest mode in this thread to get a feel for what ideas you as users like and do not like.
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Add /u/battlecrops as a moderator. EDIT: done
A biannual transparency report, containing traffic statistics and a detailed outline of bans and removals.
A weekly guided discussion, for user engagement. It would be stickied through the week and would focus on a specific, possibly user submitted topic.
Creating a wiki on /r/zoophilia and forming a wiki writing team to create an authoritative resource for scientific studies, legal information.
Maybe it also could contain a guide on how to deal with your zoophilia, certain behavior about animals, and more?
I thought of having it include some pointers on consent, sexual contact, etc as well.
I think that could be risky, if it had stuff in the style of "how to" guides. Anything other than that would probably be okay, but I'd avoid that kind of thing. Dunno if that's what you meant but.
Twas my thoughts as well. But to be fair we do it already... We'd just be making it official, on the pretense of preventing people from hurting themselves or others.
I can still easily see that being used against us though, is the only reason why I'm concerned. Plus there are already sex-centric sites like that.
I think it depends on how we structure the wiki. I was thinking of staggering it so you have to follow specific paths to access certain parts of the wiki. They could cite the 'safe sex' pages against zoos, but we can rebut that with the fact that ethical/legal considerations, consent/communication, etc are required reading before that. I think lots of people are kind of scared going into this and might not want to access more sources than they have to, kind of why I want /r/zoophilia to be an 'all in one' kind of deal, if possible.
Yeah.
I actually wanted to say that, but I'm a bit shy about that when talking with non-zoos. I thought it'd be a little pushy.
Somewhat on-topic, I'm writing something about zoophilia.
I'm not a good writer because of my very limited vocabulary.
It's not anything special either, but I'm just saying it could be used, doesn't have to though.
Don't be, please, lol. Literally the only thing I'm averse to is poetry.
... And animal crush videos because fuck that shit.
I would avoid anything related to a sexual act. Our framing of the topic is predicated on relationships with nonhumans. While sex is a part of that, it's an ancillary activity that does not need to occur for a healthy zoophilic relationship.
Yeah like, I always got the impression that sex isn't a main focus on this subreddit (and that's part of what I really like about it). Like it can be brought up and discussed yeah, but it doesn't seem to happen that often, and it's not the main reason this sub is around.
Don't worry. The sexual content will either be only accessible by request or through a significant number of parent articles relating to core principles and ethics.
I think having stuff on sexual content would be helpful AND educational though.
In addition to any literature on the topic, I would also like to see a simple summary outlining relevant definitions, especially what zoophilia is and is not.
For French, it alreally exist : http://www.animalzoofrance.net/index.php/Accueil
It could be a good base.
Although something similar has been done by various folks, I´d support creating a space that contains unbiased information about zoophilia. What I noticed when digging through the already existing "zoo wiki" and other sites that intend to "inform about zoophilia" was the incredible bias featured on these sites.
Not a single page managed to remain neutral on the topic, all of them have this underlying pro zoo bias that may suffice in pampering our egos, but fails in providing the entire picture.
If you really want to work on something more significant for the public, it is primarily important to :
( @AmoreBestia: In case you haven´t seen them, browse to the threads I´ve submitted in the past and click "A little thank you and something I want to share". No porn, no sexual content except my mare and me French kissing on one picture.Let me know what you think of it.)
This is what comes into my mind spontaneously. Basic values as honesty and responsiblity should be emphasized. We should include the views of science (pro AND anti), include uncommented (!) opposing views (no "debunking", let people decide for themselves) and thus avoid what got Mr Rich Wearer of a dead squirrel toupet elected. No filter bubbles. When two filter bubbles fight, the one with the bigger lies and the simplest "explanation" wins. Don´t create filter bubbles, keep sceptical.
Creating several sections is a good idea. I support the idea to "hide" the sex section(s). How-tos and other crap that only reassures the picture of a sex maual for species X should have no place on our pages.
This is the plan. You won't be disappointed with our approach, I suspect. All i can say for now, though.
Condense the rules in the sidebar, and link to expanded rules in our currently defunct rules page. EDIT: done
Additionally, we could make it so that the condensed rules in the sidebar can be expanded, like in /r/politics.
Converting similar subs that we manage to acquire into redirects to /r/zoophilia.
Which ones would that be?
Future acquisitions, mostly. EDIT: To expand upon this; essentially, we'd be taking lots of smaller or dead communities and converting them into redirects. The subs themselves would need to be aligned more toward our definition of zoophilia of course (less about sex, more about love).
A flair system that would allow people to tag posts based on the type or topic, as well as a system to allow users to block certain flairs automagically built into the CSS.(EDIT: Can only partially implement due to the contrast, stealth, etc settings on the subreddit interfering with filters)
Maybe something to do with 'outsider engagement'?
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Something to invite (meaningful) contributions and input from non-zoos.We'd have to take a very serious look at the issue before offering anything concrete.
Currently, tabs in the main directory of /r/zoophilia read as "attraction to animals". We can change it, though i'm not sure what would be preferable. EDIT: Changed to Animal Aficionados.
"animal aficionados"
A system, through automoderator, using flags within a post title or body that would enable different rulesets in comments sections. For instance, a "drama" flag would prompt automoderator to sticky and distinguish a comment in the thread saying that drama is prohibited, and the moderation team would crack down on ad hominem attacks in posts accordingly.
EDIT: To clarify (and shirk my own no editing rule), this would mean that placing "[SSFW]" in the OP, for instance, would prompt automoderator to make a 'strict safe for work' comment with the relevant rules. That way, classifying flairs(Like a news , activism, whatever other kind of flair we decide on) don't need to conflict with automod 'rule modes'. We could also configure it so the OP can comment with the relevant flag and have it happen instead. Moderators would also be able to invoke this, if absolutely necessary.
EDIT: Done.
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EDIT: Implemented.
Add a rule against "repeated civil disruptions" that would result in short bans for people that frequently provoke others in the community. The specifics would need to be balanced , but it would work like a stipend of sorts. Passive-aggressiveness (or flat out aggressiveness) wouldn't be outright banned, but you'd only be able to do it X times per month before we start nuking aggressive posts made by that user.
"provocativeness" would be measured by reports and moderator discretion. No reports on an aggressive post would mean no action would be taken. 5 reports would probably be sufficient for a removal in most cases, unless a moderator deems it acceptable. You would be allowed 2 or 3 provocative posts or arguments a month, with posts in any one thread only being able to give you one demerit, collectively. Note that provocative means that it must include repeated or perceptibly frequent attacks, derogation, shaming, etc. Particularly egregious or extremely harmful(by moderator discretion) posts may result in multiple demerits.
Each infraction will be noted in a comment and explained by the moderator why and where the post is violating the rule. When the monthly stipend is exhausted, the first infraction after that will result in removal of the offending post and a verbal warning being issued. Following infractions will result in short, escalating bans that would reset monthly, scaling up by a small amount for every month that the user recieved a ban for this infraction, as well as decreasing their demerit stipend incrementally.
Edit: Provocative or unpopular opinions would still be allowed with this rule. We're not going to enforce against freedom of speech, just the freedom to be an ass.
Maybe something specific could also be added in the rules about harassing or shaming other users??
Perhaps. Though, we'd need to draw a very clear line between arguing against a point and arguing against a person. Taking issue with something someone says or does is a liberty that many of /r/zoophilia's moderators seemed to have supported emphatically, so it's important that we keep to that value.
Well yeah, I have no problem with arguing, I meant more like name-calling, intentionally insulting or attacking, stuff like that directly against someone else.
Yeah, I know. Just felt it important to clarify some of the difficulties with it all.
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This is a bit of a minor thing, but can we get a few more flair choices? Currently the only animal logos are a canine paw and a horse shoe. While this does represent a fair portion of zoos, I think it's a bit restrictive.
For example we could add a cat paw and bird feather. I'm sure some other people have logo ideas for other kinds of animals.
We'd have to look into that, as we don't have any artists on hand to my understanding. Otherwise, it shouldn't be too hard to do..
This has now been implemented.