/r/zoophilia Idea Election (Ends 1/23) (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2017-01-15 23:14:05 by AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile.

Hey all. /u/btwIAMAzoophile and I have been doing quite a bit of backend stuff since the election; some simple restructuring into a more active moderation system in anticipation of any significant growth in the future as well as working on trimming inactive moderators. While we've deliberated amongst ourselves about those changes, we agreed that the front end is something that should be deliberated between us and the members of the community. We're going to be using what is known as contest mode in this thread to get a feel for what ideas you as users like and do not like.

To vote on or AGAINST an idea, just give it an upvote or downvote. Vote by preference, and downvote liberally if you oppose an idea or addendum; only moderators will be able to see the point values, and nobody will lose karma here. You may vote on as many or as few ideas as you'd like, and we recommend revisiting this thread regularly to check out any new ideas. Anything that doesn't receive a vote or receives negative votes will not be implemented, but we will likely have more idea elections like this in the future. If your or another post is at the bottom, that does not mean it is not reciveing support. Sorting is randomized in contest mode, so don't worry if something you support is at the bottom!

If you have an idea, any idea, post it. Even if you think it isn't possible, drop it here. CSS, structural changes, rule changes, firing me, big or small, they're all fair game; though we ask that you be as specific as possible, while still being cogent. We can't guarantee that they'll be implemented, but we'll make sure everything that gets voted for will be given due consideration. If you have more than one idea, post each one individually. You can submit as many ideas as you want, but they must be separated.

If you'd like to add to an idea, or have questions about an idea, post a reply to it! if an addendum to an idea recieves support, we will consider the addendum with the idea itself. Asking questions and making additions is heavily encouraged, as it lets us better tailor changes to the wants and needs of the community, and may help us at the drawing board.

If you post an idea or addendum, DO NOT EDIT IT!

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-15 23:32:19

Add /u/battlecrops as a moderator. EDIT: done

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-15 23:35:07

A biannual transparency report, containing traffic statistics and a detailed outline of bans and removals.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-15 23:41:01

A weekly guided discussion, for user engagement. It would be stickied through the week and would focus on a specific, possibly user submitted topic.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-15 23:50:48

Creating a wiki on /r/zoophilia and forming a wiki writing team to create an authoritative resource for scientific studies, legal information.

WarCanine Love knows no boundaries between species or gender 1 point on 2017-01-16 00:07:39

Maybe it also could contain a guide on how to deal with your zoophilia, certain behavior about animals, and more?

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-16 00:11:52

I thought of having it include some pointers on consent, sexual contact, etc as well.

Battlecrops cat kisser extraordinaire 1 point on 2017-01-16 00:31:00

I think that could be risky, if it had stuff in the style of "how to" guides. Anything other than that would probably be okay, but I'd avoid that kind of thing. Dunno if that's what you meant but.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-16 00:37:32

Twas my thoughts as well. But to be fair we do it already... We'd just be making it official, on the pretense of preventing people from hurting themselves or others.

Battlecrops cat kisser extraordinaire 1 point on 2017-01-16 01:01:40

I can still easily see that being used against us though, is the only reason why I'm concerned. Plus there are already sex-centric sites like that.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-16 01:19:16

I think it depends on how we structure the wiki. I was thinking of staggering it so you have to follow specific paths to access certain parts of the wiki. They could cite the 'safe sex' pages against zoos, but we can rebut that with the fact that ethical/legal considerations, consent/communication, etc are required reading before that. I think lots of people are kind of scared going into this and might not want to access more sources than they have to, kind of why I want /r/zoophilia to be an 'all in one' kind of deal, if possible.

WarCanine Love knows no boundaries between species or gender 1 point on 2017-01-16 00:40:35

Yeah.
I actually wanted to say that, but I'm a bit shy about that when talking with non-zoos. I thought it'd be a little pushy.


Somewhat on-topic, I'm writing something about zoophilia.
I'm not a good writer because of my very limited vocabulary.
It's not anything special either, but I'm just saying it could be used, doesn't have to though.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-16 00:44:34

I actually wanted to say that, but I'm a bit shy about that when talking with non-zoos. I thought it'd be a little pushy.

Don't be, please, lol. Literally the only thing I'm averse to is poetry.

... And animal crush videos because fuck that shit.

ZooIam 1 point on 2017-01-16 05:55:26

I would avoid anything related to a sexual act. Our framing of the topic is predicated on relationships with nonhumans. While sex is a part of that, it's an ancillary activity that does not need to occur for a healthy zoophilic relationship.

Battlecrops cat kisser extraordinaire 1 point on 2017-01-16 06:06:06

Yeah like, I always got the impression that sex isn't a main focus on this subreddit (and that's part of what I really like about it). Like it can be brought up and discussed yeah, but it doesn't seem to happen that often, and it's not the main reason this sub is around.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-18 22:42:23

Don't worry. The sexual content will either be only accessible by request or through a significant number of parent articles relating to core principles and ethics.

CantThinkOfAName2017 Prefers humans, but likes female dogs and mares 1 point on 2017-01-24 01:30:18

I think having stuff on sexual content would be helpful AND educational though.

ZooIam 1 point on 2017-01-16 05:52:01

In addition to any literature on the topic, I would also like to see a simple summary outlining relevant definitions, especially what zoophilia is and is not.

Omochanoshi At her Majesty Mare service 1 point on 2017-01-16 17:38:24

For French, it alreally exist : http://www.animalzoofrance.net/index.php/Accueil

It could be a good base.

30-30 amator equae 1 point on 2017-01-18 11:49:14

Although something similar has been done by various folks, I´d support creating a space that contains unbiased information about zoophilia. What I noticed when digging through the already existing "zoo wiki" and other sites that intend to "inform about zoophilia" was the incredible bias featured on these sites.

Not a single page managed to remain neutral on the topic, all of them have this underlying pro zoo bias that may suffice in pampering our egos, but fails in providing the entire picture.

If you really want to work on something more significant for the public, it is primarily important to :

  • stay away from presenting final conclusions. Many other pages do that and thus, drive off anyone who´s not buying that narrative immediately.
  • give the entire picture. Don´t shy away from controversy, address EVERYTHING, including big articles on fencehopping, animal pornography (legal and ethical problems) and the schism between zoo and beasty. One liners won´t be enough to address what bothers many the most.
  • A picture´s worth more than a thousand words. All our cunning texts, all our idealised viewpoints are basically nothing more than semantic aikido if words are the only thing we have to offer. I´d even contribute some of the pictures of my mare and me as an example for what was written, if it would be necessary.

( @AmoreBestia: In case you haven´t seen them, browse to the threads I´ve submitted in the past and click "A little thank you and something I want to share". No porn, no sexual content except my mare and me French kissing on one picture.Let me know what you think of it.)


  • include "case studies". What I´m proposing is doing some interviews with single persons from our community, giving them a voice of their own instead of just painting a general picture. We have to break through the common notion that all "animal fuckers" are basically the same. Let´s show our differences, giving society a first hand insight into our lives. (All of that has to be done with maximum precautions, of course. Nobody wants societal suicide)
  • emphasize balance in what we offer to the public. These pro zoo rants are equally silly as anti rant and intentionally leave out at least half of the picture. Put the stress on unbiased info, create the oportunity for every reader to decide for themself where he/she draws the line between tolerable and intolerable.
  • avoid falling into the same pitfalls as other "zoo encyclopediae". Nobody wants to read through dozens of pages with "the history of zoophilia", nobody wants to read what nation fucked what animal as a part of religious traditions, nobody wants to hear that "zoophilia exists as long as mankind, therefore it´s okay" fake justification crap. Stay on topic, contemporary zoophilia and its implications for the entire society.
  • avoid feeding sensationalism. Yes, sex is a part of zoophilia and this fact shouldn´t be brushed under the carpet. But we want to share knowledge, not cheap jerkoff stories. We shouldn´t include links to sites with pornographic content of any form or shape, no clips, no fiction,etc.
  • avoid to mix zoophilia with other "uncommon" sexual behaviour. If outsiders are open enough to surf to our pages, we shouldn´t piss them off with plethora of other "perversions". Only the most sympathetic folks are willing to swallow even the worst "I fuck through the entire stable, male, female, dogs, horses, sheep, goats, etc., doesn´t matter" stories.

This is what comes into my mind spontaneously. Basic values as honesty and responsiblity should be emphasized. We should include the views of science (pro AND anti), include uncommented (!) opposing views (no "debunking", let people decide for themselves) and thus avoid what got Mr Rich Wearer of a dead squirrel toupet elected. No filter bubbles. When two filter bubbles fight, the one with the bigger lies and the simplest "explanation" wins. Don´t create filter bubbles, keep sceptical.

Creating several sections is a good idea. I support the idea to "hide" the sex section(s). How-tos and other crap that only reassures the picture of a sex maual for species X should have no place on our pages.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-18 22:28:05

Although something similar has been done by various folks, I´d support creating a space that contains unbiased information about zoophilia.

This is the plan. You won't be disappointed with our approach, I suspect. All i can say for now, though.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-15 23:53:26

Condense the rules in the sidebar, and link to expanded rules in our currently defunct rules page. EDIT: done

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-16 03:13:12

Additionally, we could make it so that the condensed rules in the sidebar can be expanded, like in /r/politics.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-16 01:11:17

Converting similar subs that we manage to acquire into redirects to /r/zoophilia.

Battlecrops cat kisser extraordinaire 1 point on 2017-01-16 20:06:42

Which ones would that be?

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-16 20:11:20

Future acquisitions, mostly. EDIT: To expand upon this; essentially, we'd be taking lots of smaller or dead communities and converting them into redirects. The subs themselves would need to be aligned more toward our definition of zoophilia of course (less about sex, more about love).

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-16 02:41:24

A flair system that would allow people to tag posts based on the type or topic, as well as a system to allow users to block certain flairs automagically built into the CSS.(EDIT: Can only partially implement due to the contrast, stealth, etc settings on the subreddit interfering with filters)

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-16 02:45:26

Maybe something to do with 'outsider engagement'?

[deleted] 1 point on 2017-01-17 04:24:19

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AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-17 04:32:40

Something to invite (meaningful) contributions and input from non-zoos.We'd have to take a very serious look at the issue before offering anything concrete.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-16 03:18:11

Currently, tabs in the main directory of /r/zoophilia read as "attraction to animals". We can change it, though i'm not sure what would be preferable. EDIT: Changed to Animal Aficionados.

actuallynotazoophile ok, I lied 1 point on 2017-01-16 18:28:25

"animal aficionados"

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-17 03:44:05

A system, through automoderator, using flags within a post title or body that would enable different rulesets in comments sections. For instance, a "drama" flag would prompt automoderator to sticky and distinguish a comment in the thread saying that drama is prohibited, and the moderation team would crack down on ad hominem attacks in posts accordingly.

EDIT: To clarify (and shirk my own no editing rule), this would mean that placing "[SSFW]" in the OP, for instance, would prompt automoderator to make a 'strict safe for work' comment with the relevant rules. That way, classifying flairs(Like a news , activism, whatever other kind of flair we decide on) don't need to conflict with automod 'rule modes'. We could also configure it so the OP can comment with the relevant flag and have it happen instead. Moderators would also be able to invoke this, if absolutely necessary.

EDIT: Done.

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AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-18 00:27:53

EDIT: Implemented.

Add a rule against "repeated civil disruptions" that would result in short bans for people that frequently provoke others in the community. The specifics would need to be balanced , but it would work like a stipend of sorts. Passive-aggressiveness (or flat out aggressiveness) wouldn't be outright banned, but you'd only be able to do it X times per month before we start nuking aggressive posts made by that user.

"provocativeness" would be measured by reports and moderator discretion. No reports on an aggressive post would mean no action would be taken. 5 reports would probably be sufficient for a removal in most cases, unless a moderator deems it acceptable. You would be allowed 2 or 3 provocative posts or arguments a month, with posts in any one thread only being able to give you one demerit, collectively. Note that provocative means that it must include repeated or perceptibly frequent attacks, derogation, shaming, etc. Particularly egregious or extremely harmful(by moderator discretion) posts may result in multiple demerits.

Each infraction will be noted in a comment and explained by the moderator why and where the post is violating the rule. When the monthly stipend is exhausted, the first infraction after that will result in removal of the offending post and a verbal warning being issued. Following infractions will result in short, escalating bans that would reset monthly, scaling up by a small amount for every month that the user recieved a ban for this infraction, as well as decreasing their demerit stipend incrementally.

Edit: Provocative or unpopular opinions would still be allowed with this rule. We're not going to enforce against freedom of speech, just the freedom to be an ass.

Battlecrops cat kisser extraordinaire 1 point on 2017-01-18 07:42:39

Maybe something specific could also be added in the rules about harassing or shaming other users??

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-18 08:28:43

Perhaps. Though, we'd need to draw a very clear line between arguing against a point and arguing against a person. Taking issue with something someone says or does is a liberty that many of /r/zoophilia's moderators seemed to have supported emphatically, so it's important that we keep to that value.

Battlecrops cat kisser extraordinaire 1 point on 2017-01-18 18:37:21

Well yeah, I have no problem with arguing, I meant more like name-calling, intentionally insulting or attacking, stuff like that directly against someone else.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-18 22:02:57

Yeah, I know. Just felt it important to clarify some of the difficulties with it all.

[deleted] 1 point on 2017-01-18 19:54:19

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DRLaQc Leopards 1 point on 2017-01-20 03:17:19

This is a bit of a minor thing, but can we get a few more flair choices? Currently the only animal logos are a canine paw and a horse shoe. While this does represent a fair portion of zoos, I think it's a bit restrictive.

For example we could add a cat paw and bird feather. I'm sure some other people have logo ideas for other kinds of animals.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-20 04:45:27

We'd have to look into that, as we don't have any artists on hand to my understanding. Otherwise, it shouldn't be too hard to do..

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-01-23 08:51:08

This has now been implemented.