What makes dog and horse attractions so common? (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2017-01-27 18:05:19 by WarCanine Love knows no boundaries between species or gender -ᴹᵃᵈᵃʳᵃᵒ

These are the most common attractions, even in bestalist communities.
Of course, we don't choose these attractions, but I'm curious.
Is there any reason behind it at all?

BurnedRowan big ol' pupper 9 points on 2017-01-27 18:27:08

I feel like horses and dogs are generally the most accessible to many people. A lot of us grow up around these animals, and sometimes our sexual and romantic maturity can coincide with theirs.

Baaxten Canines, equines, cetaceans 3 points on 2017-01-29 16:10:06

And yet I like the look of dolphins, even though I've hardly ever seen them in real life.

CantThinkOfAName2017 Prefers humans, but likes female dogs and mares 2 points on 2017-01-30 23:24:39

Weird because I like bitches and mares, but the only animals I grew up with are cats and yet I'm not attracted to cats.

WarCanine Love knows no boundaries between species or gender 1 point on 2017-01-31 20:31:31

Well, it's not like it's guaranteed that you will become attracted to the species you hung around with.
I was attracted to foxes and wolves before I even touched or met them.
In fact, it mainly started with foxes. Although I had curious thoughts about dogs before.
Though, that might have to do with my "main" dog attraction...

Dogsoulmate 7 points on 2017-01-27 18:45:15

I believe that since both have been domesticated for thousands of years, and have learned to read human cues and body language, as well as humans being able to doing the same, the emotional bond can be easier to translate between species. Relying on each other for survival, can easily evolve into friendship, mutual respect, and in the case of zoophilia, romance and physical attraction.

30-30 amator equae 3 points on 2017-01-27 20:20:40

Availability plays a major role in this. Compatibility is also a big factor, animals too small or too big practically exclude themselves. Cleanliness contributes its part , too...that´s why pigs, sheep, goats and bovines, although pretty common in rural areas, only attract people already into scat stuff or "dirtiness". The ability to control animals , the level of domestication is also a factor. And last, but not least, the sexual "performance" and special sexual "features" of the species play a major role , too. Stags and bulls only hump once, thus not very desirable for bestialists, for example. Sexual performance has to be compatible to humans to some extend for it to become interesting and /or desirable.

Battlecrops cat kisser extraordinaire 2 points on 2017-01-27 20:45:44

I wonder why dogs and horses are the most common among zoophiles with innate attractions too, though?

WarCanine Love knows no boundaries between species or gender 2 points on 2017-01-27 20:52:19

Yeah, that's what I mean.
Especially the number of cat zoos surprises me.

Battlecrops cat kisser extraordinaire 2 points on 2017-01-27 21:34:59

I've seen quite a few folks around into big cats, not as many into domestic cats (like myself). I wonder if like /u/BurnedRowan said, growing up with certain species can influence our attractions to them? I'm attracted to pretty much every species under the sun though so that wouldn't really apply to me, but I can see how it might to others or even a majority.

30-30 amator equae 2 points on 2017-01-27 23:30:59

Innate attractions? I´d say there are no innate attractions. Sure, many say that, but mostly, such statements are the result of the urge to build a coherent history in retrospective ,underlining the justificability. "No, zoophilia is a thing because I´m attracted to species X since I was born".

The human mind is the most advanced trickster. The sexual personality develops with puberty and this is what defines and imprints future attractions. Freud calls this prepubescent state "polymorphous perversion", basically meaning that every single person is capable of developing any orientation, depending on experiences during puberty. One of my childhood friends who acted like he was a girl when he was a preteen is a 100% straight father of two children now while one of the "butch", manly kids I knew is now a completely effeminate homosexual. I myself saw horses as girlie stuff and gay when I was young, now I´m an exclusive horse zoo for more than two decades...and not at all girlie like and 100% hetero.

This said, my post also applies to so called "innate" attractions..it all boils down to fantasies, the symbolism therein and first experiences during puberty. Whenever talking to such a zoophile with "innate" attractions, you usually can trace back the attraction when you pay attention not only to what is said, but also to what is accidentally slipped by the "innate" zoo. Sorry to say, but "being a zoo since I was born" is basically one of the many "zoo myths" , attraction to one specific species is only partially dependent on preteen exposure to a certain species and one should never forget the immortal words of Hannibal Lecter "We crave what we see"...

wright-one ursidae canidae pantherinae 1 point on 2017-01-28 07:00:13

Cleanliness contributes its part , too...that´s why pigs, sheep, goats and bovines, although pretty common in rural areas, only attract people already into scat stuff or "dirtiness".

really?

OS2Oslov Deer Zoo (non-active) 1 point on 2017-01-31 07:42:13

At least for goats, I don't think dirtiness is really a factor. I've been around goats before and haven't noticed that. No more than any other animal anyways.

Also, I'm not saying innate attractions are a thing, but I've always found deer pretty fricking hot despite low exposure. Maybe Walt Disney's Bambi put it all in my head, but I'm pretty sure I wasn't thinking sexual thoughts when I watched that at like age 5 or 6... shrugs

wright-one ursidae canidae pantherinae 2 points on 2017-02-01 06:25:08

sorry.. that wasn't meant as a "is that really how it is?", it was meant as a "really? you actually believe that?" i was so flabbergasted i couldn't come up with a more verbose response than that. to automatically assume that people could only be attracted to such animals if they were also into scat is just ... fucking idiot, and to assume you know the minds of others so well .. is frankly par for the course where his ego is concerned. i shouldn't be surprised anymore, and should know better than to even bother responding at all.

Swibblestein 2 points on 2017-01-27 23:31:52

Well, there are many ways to look at it, but there are some rather important facts to keep in mind.

First, not all that many species have been domesticated, and I think that is a big part of it. I think it's likely that there is a bit of co-evolution that happens when a species is domesticated over a long enough period of time. Humans who were terrified of dogs didn't have as good of a success rate at survival in the past as those humans who could and would work well with dogs, as an example.

Another factor is "amount of connection". For sheep, and cows, and other livestock animals, they really don't interact on a very personal level with humans, so the effect I mentioned earlier would be diminished. You don't need to be able to form bonds with sheep on an individual level in order to herd them, or whatever else.

So with those two factors in mind, what we're looking for are species with a significant history interacting with humans, and where those interactions are generally on an individual rather than herd basis.

Dogs fit the bill, as do horses.

Cats have been domesticated for a while, but for most of our interaction together, they haven't been "housecats", I don't think. We don't work closely together - cats do their own thing hunting pests around food storage, without humans playing a role.

The only other species I can think of that would fit the same criteria as dogs and horses would be other beasts of burden - donkeys and camels, of particular note. However, those are also less common overall - camels are limited to a certain area, and donkeys are less common in the developed world than horses are, if I'm not mistaken.

I wonder if in North Africa and the middle east, where there is more of a history with camels, if the attraction to those species is likewise higher? I know it's a common joke to make about people from the middle east, but it's a serious question. Keep in mind that our perception of the "most common attractions" is going to be heavily skewed by the fact that most people participating in the communities we are familiar with are from certain areas of the world, with other areas being much less represented.

Skgrsgpf 2 points on 2017-01-28 02:15:56

Mammals that are not dogs or horses (such as bovines, goats, sheep, pigs, llamas, alpacas, dolphins, etc.) are probably less common because the animals themselves are less common/accessible; and there would likely be more sexual relations if they were more common/accessible.

Pigs are actually clean animals, and the belief that pigs are "dirty" is a myth.

wright-one ursidae canidae pantherinae 2 points on 2017-01-28 07:14:33
The-Forested-Garden 1 point on 2017-01-29 17:41:17

What other people said, commonality and accessibility to said animals. Personally, I find other animals just as attractive. It would just be more realistic to take care of a dog than it would be a wolf...or a bear, or any number of animals that I'm attracted to.

tencendur_ Neeeigh 2 points on 2017-01-29 19:36:47

I'd say it is because horses and dogs are both widespread and very social towards humans, at least once they are domesticated.

It is hard for a person to seriously like something they don't have experience with. It happens, because the human mind is weird, but it is easier to like an animal once you get in contact with it and realize all the facets of its body and mindset.

horse_account 1 point on 2017-01-31 03:25:07

It's easier for people to anthropomorphize those animals. It's easier for them to feel like they can see those animals' emotional states by looking at their faces, just like they can with other humans.

TokenHorseGuy 1 point on 2017-02-01 01:26:14

Honestly I'm a bit surprised at all the "because domestication" believers. Maybe it's different things for different people, and those people enjoy whatever-it-is because of exposure or domestication. Similar to /u/CantThinkOfAName2017, I grew up with cats and small dogs and I find them both completely uninteresting.

To me, physically it's body type and certain facial features, emotionally it's personality.

This question strikes me a lot like posing the question to the normals of "why do so many of you own a horse or dog?" Sure they are more common animals, sure they are more traditional than some others. That doesn't stop people who really like llamas or goats or pigs from moving somewhere they can keep the type of animal they feel platonic love for.