So how do you know if the animal actually wants to do it with you? (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2017-02-03 01:41:07 by iloveh900
Ok so I'm not a zoophile, but for curiosity's sake I wanted to know how you could even get a dog (or other animal) to know how to have sex with you...like how would they even know what to do, where to put it in, ect...it seems like they wouldn't innately know how to do that since ya know, you're not the same species and all.
Short answer: imitate that species's mating rituals and let nature take its course. For example, with a male dog, play and wrestle with them, turn your hindquarters to them and look back, and maybe try to sniff or lick at their genitals. Of course, using your hands is fine as well, but whatever you do, pay attention to the animal's body language to gauge their mood and interest (or lack thereof).
Of course, in a long term relationship, you can also develop more subtle signals for each other. A dog might paw at you or start licking or humping to show interest (and may even make the first move before anything happens at all), but you can also establish routines like being nude in the bedroom, showing them a certain towel or blanket, or even verbal questions similar to "Wanna go for a walk?" It's a sort of behavioral conditioning, in which the "reward" is sex with a caring partner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtship_display
For example, male dogs will hump you and female dogs will 'flag'.
Zoophilia is not all cut and dry. Small animals and birds (birds have hollow bones and are fragile) are best left alone. I do consider some forms of human-animal sexual contact as rape. However, all forms will be seen as rape by the uninformed public. This is why farmers, whom need to breed their livestock, are cautious about anti-bestiality laws.
just wanna say thanks for asking a completely valid question in a polite way. nice to see.
the others said it well enough, though i would add that despite the fact that we're different species, depending on partner choice, we're similar enough. as /u/electricfoxx pointed out, some groups of species need to be left alone due to incompatibility of either size or .. well, we're just not sexually compatible with birds and reptiles .. but other mammals have very similar equipment to what we have. as long as you know enough about your partner to know what is a yes and what is a no (and "no means no" applies to zoophiles as well), you can have a mutually pleasurable experience. it can take time to learn how to tell the difference, though, but it's very important.
Animals have mating behavior and body language. Every dog owner will tell you they can read the dog language (wagging tail, facial expression showing fear or excitement, perking ears when something interests them, pawing the veranda door when they want to go outside...). I can tell you for dogs and horses that this body language is pretty clear and easy to read once you understand it. Which basically means spend enough time around them to learn it. The language elements are pretty standard.
And there are clear signs for sex. A mare will show you her genitals, do a "wink" with it, have a certain body posture and urinate in front of you. All of that put together means "I want you to mount me". If you are around enough and did as much as pet the mare, a lot of mares will try you if you are game as a sexual partner. At least once and if you never react they may give up in trying. Many riders will confirm that you have to be careful with some mares in high season. Her trial to get you to mount could - in her excitement - amount to squish you against a wall or step on your foot real bad.
As long as you don't tell them it's about justifying that people can understand "I want to have sex with you" from animals, the mentioned animal owners will confirm this. Go and try in reality with arbitrary dog or horse owners if there is a body language and all the nuances that they will tell you they can understand.
I've owned horses my entire life, been riding since I was 5. Also owned dogs. I've seen mares wink, but they do it at random times as well as in front of geldings and stallions.It could just be a general horniness they experience, not a sexual attraction to you. Don't you think that's making it a bit too personal? I don't think non human animals experience sexual attraction the way we do, just an instinctual urge. I understand all this body language you speak of. Only difference is I don't take it personally and assume it means the animal is thinking of ME in a sexual way. I think assuming that is projecting your own desires and feelings onto that animal. For example, I might get turned on randomly throughout the day. It happens, my body does that sometimes. I could feel that warm feeling down there, but it doesn't mean I want to have sex with a specific person. It might just mean I got turned on for a second, maybe at a thought or any other sexual trigger, not nessecarily the person I'm in the room with.
i guess that's the reason why i am a zoophile and you are not shrugs Even if it is "just instinctual", then what's the problem? Instinct tells, instead of some reasoning that this guy has a good job so finally someone who could support a family, so one may give in to the horniness?
I think your question is already answered if we stay on the instinct level. If instinct told her/him to test you then it was about you. As a non-zoo you just rarely stand still when an animal sniffs between your legs b/c you have been drilled by your peers to hush them away from there. If you'd let them they could get excited about you.
and then there's "being in season"
I agree. I don't believe animals have the same sort of "attractions" that humans do, though they definitely have their favorite people to interact with. That said, animals in general are naturally very hedonistic. They enjoy things that make them feel good. Be it having their itchy spots scritched, or having their sexual "itch" scratched. Horses in particular are incredibly talented at picking up on body language as well as the various micro-expressions we humans give off. Most equines will go out of their way to try to communicate with their human handlers, but often give up because the human is either clueless that a question/request is being asked, or doesn't approve of certain behaviors. Zoophiles tend to be a bit more knowledgeable about their animal's body language, and a lot more open about allowing their critters to express their sexual desires without deterring that sort of behavior. While mares will wink for all kinds of mundane reasons, when the wink is combined with other forms of nonverbal communication, it's a good sign she's in the mood to play. A mare who is going out of her way to flirt with you in the same manner as she would with a stallion of her own species, makes for a pretty clear sign that she's interested in messing around. It's just a matter of you having the understanding of what she's asking for, as well as the desire to reciprocate.
Yes and no. Normal sex doesn't work that way either, that you see "this girl looks horny, so I'm going to fuck her right now, no matter what." Of course with animals who can't clearly communicate in our language you have to be more mindful, but usually animals will communicate whether they appreciate what you're doing or not. An easy exercise would be the (very non sexual) consent test for petting dogs, for which you can find some videos on youtube. The idea is that you do something with the animal and then stop doing it in order to see whether the animal will try to get you to continue what you were doing.
In these discussions it always seems like a lot of miscommunications happen and the animal behavior is simplified far too much. "A mare winking means she wants sex with you" or "A dog humping you means he wants sex with you". Of course it doesn't automatically mean that. A dog humping someone can mean many things, for example he could just be playing around, or maybe he is stressed. But it also can be one indicator that he wants it, you just have to look at the whole context of the situation and try to interpret all the expressions of the body language. And if you actually like the animal, then you'll abstain until you're reasonably sure you interpret it correctly.
Just take this article about wild horses who clearly show preferences for certain sexual partners: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-secret-lives-of-horses/. The notable thing is how the researchers don't seem to have problems to interpret the choice of sexual partners the mares make. And yet nobody comes at them "hey you don't actually know who the mares chose, maybe they were just winking because they were randomly horny". The interpretation of body language only seems to be mystified like that in these discussions about sex between humans and nonhumans. Of course you have to learn some things and give special attention, but it's also not that hard.
I'd like to interject and say that it's not entirely unlikely that a nonhuman animal raised by a human would build a sexual attraction to them. Sexual imprinting, as it is called, is a phenomena found in mammals, avians, and likely some other classes. In a sentence, it's a phenomena wherein an animal, human or nonhuman, that is raised by caretakers of phenotype x or phenotype y and z will form attractions to said phenotypes, regardless of species. Exposure in early life and conditioning are also factors, with late exposure being less likely to cause attraction. Sexual imprinting varies between species and individuals, but is otherwise omnipresent. In some capacity, these observations suggest that attraction is a learned phenomena. While it can be said that those mechanisms are still innate or 'instinctive' in some capacity, it has just as many roots in personal experience. Nonhuman animals are not barred from being able to reason and build an understanding of their surroundings and themselves, including at least a basal understanding of their own compulsions. For a higher level mammal, it's pretty unlikely for instinct to supercede their conscious desires or preferences.
While anthropomorphism is a tangible risk in cases like this, it is equally harmful to err on the opposite side of the spectrum and ignore the potential for greater meaning. A rather narrow array of cognitive archetypes have stood the test of time, and between those archetypes, the variation in animal minds is found to be progressively more of degree than type, within reason.
I absolutely love it when "zoos" try to sell what they´ve gathered in how-tos as personal experience....
Here´s the reality check: mares wink constantly, after they pee, when irritated in the vaginal tract, after artificial insemination, after mating to get rid of excess semen and dirt the stallion brought into her with his penis. Winking is a "push out" motion and I´ve never seen a mare wink during the act with a stallion. Winking is highly overrated and can be traced back to some idiots mistaking a mare´s winking action as a female "wet" orgasm. My first mare had the habit of expecting me in the morning and as soon as I entered the stables, she lifted her tail and peed...but she never winked when I was inside her. She loosened up, literally sat on my lap, grunting and moaning, rocking her butt back and forth...and from all my experience, I am absolutely positive that she climaxed. BTW, my Tinker mare does not wink at all, except after peeing, and already has learned how to intensify pleasure, almost dropping me off my pedestal by squeezing her butt against me. She also climaxes.
Given the fact that many animal owners only think they understand their animals, but reality shows a constant communication problem, your simplified statement makes me cringe. My sole existence as a specialist for "difficult" horses is proving that things aren´t so easy and zoophilia doesn´t protect you from misinterpreting animal behaviour. As a zoophile, you´re not immune from anthropomorphising your animal, quite the opposite. I´ve seen so many "zoos" anthropomorpising their animals, like George Willard and his pony he stuffed into a fuckin´wedding dress...
It´s also a huge lie that " a lot of mares will try you if you are game as a sexual partner". I´ve been working around horses, lots of horses, for the last 25 years and the occasions in which another mare than my own presented herself to me I can count with one hand. Turning mares into "insatiable sluts" also is anthropomorphisation of animals as well as a huge misunderstanding of a mare´s mating ritual. A mare unfamiliar with you won´t just rub her labia against you, a mare unfamiliar with intercourse won´t back up against you, squeezing you to death. All of this is rubbish , bullshit from some how-tos.Myths, half truths and lies.
In over 25 years of experience , I never got any helpful hint from the how-tos. I have experience with about 10 mares and not once the how-tos proved to be helpful in any way, often the experience didn´t match at all what was written in the how-tos. Stop believing the wrong bullshit some horny idiots have put together two decades ago.
What u wrote is very interesting to me. I am always seeking knowledge about dogs, I read books about there behaviors from ethologist. I love reading about Siberian husky's, is this the best way to learn about dogs or are there things that can only be learned from experience? What is the best way to learn about animals u are interested in?
Adult animals are sexually mature, so of course they know how to do it.
Although, sometimes they need to be guided.
It's done with body language.
Body language is different for every animal and it's most obvious signs are when a female is presenting herself or when a male is trying to mount you.
As I said, their body language can be different.
It could be because of gender, species or even depending on the animal itself.
But their body language may mean something else than an invite to sex.
This is important why you should know the animal well beforehand.
For example, when my bitch wants to be fingered she puts her head on my shoulder and stands on her back paws.
The closer I reach for her vagina, the more she licks me and gets more into position.
This is an obvious invite to sex, but it can also be the other way around.
I can also invite her to sex and she has the right to decline or accept.
I have tried sexual stuff on her before and then she showed signs of not being interested in some cases.
She'd walk away or do what she would rather do, like grabbing a toy, eating, etc.
To be honest, an animal wanting to have sex is almost as obvious as a human saying ''Yes.''
Note that I'm mainly talking about dogs, though.
My knowledge about animals doesn't reach that far, unless it's about canids.
I can't say that initially you know they want to, you just get que's that they might from their behavior. After the first time, they may indeed let you know they want it, as Tippy did by nearly shredding my shorts and rolling over on her back flexing her vulva, but to be honest you are basically training them to the first time. My girls each enjoyed sex with me, each in their own way and positions, but other than Tippy, each were basically shown by me what to do to start with. You still recognize if they aren't interested in what you're doing, and stop if they aren't or if they show ANY distress though. With horses or males, your guess is as good as any, but the above is what I've observed in bitches.