Don't trespass and don't film yourself. Takes care of 90% of the problem.
duskwuff 7 points on 2017-03-04 03:38:53
Or, to put it even more simply: don't do stupid shit.
WarCanineLove knows no boundaries between species or gender-Mᴬᴰᴬᴿᴬᴼ 6 points on 2017-03-03 21:46:02
Don't let anyone see it, don't talk about and don't show it.
If you're on the internet, the same things count.
But if you're like me who doesn't care and just straight up admit it online, don't click suspicious links and don't provide personal information.
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OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 1 point on 2017-03-05 03:43:29
Because urinating on your mattress when under the control of a parental influence and doing something on your own, behind your own controlled closed-door environment are totally similar.
Sheppsoldier -1 points on 2017-03-05 04:37:35
Well you're not going to tell everybody about it right? They might put you on the "pee-pee registry" if you leak the information.
OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 2 points on 2017-03-07 02:58:20
I'm sure there is a bedwetting registry, yes.
Are you capable of anything beyond buzzwords? Just curious. At this point I'm actually wondering if you might be a bot. Can you pass the Turing test?
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OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 1 point on 2017-03-07 11:54:37
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I think you might actually be retarded. Actually, I hope you are, because it would at least provide an excuse for the drivel you spout.
You are now on ignore, and for once, I feel it justified, as you're more confusing than that timecube guy. Good day.
Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2017-03-06 00:46:55
I'm beginning to think he might literally be mentally handicapped, or at least autistic.
OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 2 points on 2017-03-07 02:56:53
I'm autistic. Autism is not an excuse for that level of behavior.
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OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 2 points on 2017-03-07 11:55:20
You do realize autism covers a broad spectrul, and has nothing to do with mental retardation?
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OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 1 point on 2017-03-07 15:05:05
I like how I suddenly discriminate against people who have sex with animals, despite being one.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-07 17:54:17
Oh? You claimed you never had sex with one. Which one is it?
OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 1 point on 2017-03-08 00:35:27
I claimed I never had intercourse with one, adjust your head.
Sex isn't all intercourse. I'd say I've done sexually things, yes. I've always said that. I can't anymore because my heart would probably kill me, literally.
30-30amator equae 2 points on 2017-03-03 22:32:22
As WarCanine said, simply STFU in inappropriate circumstances and environments is dealing with a huge chunk of the problem just fine.
But there are some constellations that pose a risk per se, such as having to attend a public stable because you don´t own a farm or other sufficing territory for horsekeeping. With direct contact to the "outside world" on a daily basis, things can get out of hands doubletripleextra fast if you do not properly maintain a high level of precautions. A good idea to start from in such a situation is using the grey matter between the ears and respect the fact that most normals don´t want their world turned into an animal porn site....
By the way: I believe many folks in here vastly exaggerate the legal consequences, but forget about what IMHO is more damaging than paying a fine or even sitting in jail for some months or a year...the social stigmatisation that is completely independent and detached from the legal status of interspecies sex. Jail time ends some day....but people might refuse to "resocialise" you...effects of that can range from clandestine hostility like the waiter spitting on your plate in your favourite restaurant up to being threatened and/or beaten up by some self proclaimed "animal welfare activists".
I´d even say that , as everything in life, zoophilia includes a certain degree of risk. Anyone not willing to deal with this risk responsibly and rational, without constant complaining about "the hardships of zoophilia" and "unjust, prejudiced" society should really get another hobby.
MDCCCLXIIII 1 point on 2017-03-04 06:02:19
While I agree with you that at least in most European countries, the legal implications of being caught in the act of having sex with an animal are moderate, we have to acknowledge that in many jurisdictions, the consequences a zoophile might face are, by far, more severe. Being registered as a sex offender, for instance, might not only destroy a person's social life, but is definitely going to shatter his or her career, reducing the chance of getting a decent job again to zero. Then there's another variable that seems to be missing in your equation: the animals. While being behind bars for a year might seem like a tolerable sacrifice to those among us who would even "die for their convictions", the potential consequences for the animals involved might be even more traumatizing. To me, the most crucial factor when dealing with the risk of being caught has always been the safety of my mare. When it comes down to it, I am the one who has to take responsibility not only for my own, but especially for her wellbeing. To be honest, seeing her suffer because of my foolish misdeeds would bother me more than facing a prison sentence myself.
30-30amator equae 1 point on 2017-03-04 06:42:37
Well, I believed that this was quite obvious without much further say...the animal always will have to endure the worst consequences, of course. Relocation or euthanasia...
MDCCCLXIIII 1 point on 2017-03-05 17:28:21
I hope you didn't take offense at my comment. In fact, I didn't mean to criticize or refute your arguments. Rather, I intended to express my dissatisfaction with the way this crucial aspect has been neglected in the discussion. Of course, I agree with your assertion that everything I’ve written should be obvious to anyone in their right mind. Nevertheless, I wanted to emphasize that the wellbeing of our animals has to be the top priority for us zoophiles. This implies that we are obliged to take into consideration the potential consequences that our actions might have for our beloved ones even before we assess the risks that we as humans might face. While these arguments might seem self-evident to those among us who are truly in love with their animals, there´s strong evidence that a considerable number of zoophiles tend to put their interests first, which has motivated me to formulate my initial comment.
30-30amator equae 1 point on 2017-03-05 19:20:57
Don´t worry, I´m not a a sensible mimosa...;)
I tend to leave out the "zoo no brainers" because I think this is self evident and part of every true zoo´s life reality...or, as the zeta rules state "The animal ALWAYS comes first"...in every aspect.
Honestly, don´t worry about offending me, it takes an awful lot of malevolence and hitting the right triggerpoints for me to be offended...I already was kinda thickskinned when I was young and the 30 years since I first had sex with a mare made my skin even thicker thoughout the years.
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TokenHorseGuy 2 points on 2017-03-07 04:04:20
should really get another hobby.
Do you think it is a hobby, or that people have a choice? I think you know better.
I don't forget about the social consequences, however those are comparatively easy to get around: At worst, move somewhere new, or at best, per your advice in another thread, be a good person and maybe people won't hold it against you.
The consequences of being convicted of a felony (in many places) and/or sex crime are, suffice it to say, pretty bad for your future after prison, even beyond being imprisoned for perhaps a few years with perpetrators of "actual" sex crimes. It is a bit ridiculous to compare such an experience as on par with "like everything in life."
It goes back to our prior exchange: What YOU PERSONALLY consider comfortable may not reflect other people, living in other jurisdictions. You might consider them vastly exaggerating the consequences, whereas they might consider you vastly understating them.
Wanteddead45 8 points on 2017-03-04 00:22:32
First rule of fight club.
G_Shepherdfluffy wuffy 5 points on 2017-03-04 00:51:49
keep private life and public life separate, like everyone else.
you don't need to share your sexlife youknow
Sheppsoldier 2 points on 2017-03-05 04:47:32
It shouldn't be criminal if we do share, because eavesdroppers wouldn't understand privacy regardless.
G_Shepherdfluffy wuffy 2 points on 2017-03-05 14:34:13
It might be criminal, and if it weren't I still wouldn't share, period.
Me sharing isn't pivotal on it being legal or not.
If there is no need in sharing, then I won't share, be it sexual life, be it me job / study / life.
Sheppsoldier 2 points on 2017-03-05 16:17:18
I respect that, but everybody cannot be an isolationist. The consequences of exposure are more harmful to society than the exposure itself.
The more people require privacy, the more deadly they will become in order to keep that privacy.
G_Shepherdfluffy wuffy 1 point on 2017-03-06 01:51:16
Privacy is the thing that is most important.
Giving that away for whatever is nonsense.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-07 12:13:11
People don't always give privacy away themselves. Trespassing isn't only for fencehoppers.
G_Shepherdfluffy wuffy 1 point on 2017-03-10 22:32:13
No one ever should give away privacy, period
Giving it up is stupid.
Same goes for free speech, just because you don't have anything to say, it shouldn't be removed.
also, read: free speech doesn't mean you should be free from criticism
thelongestusernameeethese posts are too deep for me. im starting to get all weird ag 5 points on 2017-03-04 01:21:25
Shut the blinds, lock the door, and use lots of lube.
Aside from that, listen to WarCanine. If people really push, say your asexual (Not attracted to anything).
And leave as little evidence as you can. Dont take pictures, videos, whatever.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-05 01:42:04
Besides the obvious, I think it's safer if people come up with their own ideas to avoid "excuse stereotyping."
Wouldn't be the first time I've heard someone claim asexuality.
That's like saying "hey I'm hiding something."
OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 5 points on 2017-03-05 03:44:06
You do realize there are legitimate asexuals in this world, right?
Sheppsoldier -2 points on 2017-03-05 04:27:22
No?
I do understand that people choose not to have sex and might castrate themselves for some reasons sometimes.
I just didn't realize they felt so strongly to claim "not having sex" as a sexuality.
If zoosexuality isn't a thing then asexuality isn't a thing.
I believe the correct terms for asexuality are Abstinance, Chastity, or self-denial. I'll also throw in self-loathing.
Maybe I don't care about people that wouldn't care about others people's sexual drives. They don't deserve to call themselves asexual.
MurciDelLago 3 points on 2017-03-05 10:28:18
My saying this has less weight here than elsewhere, where I don't say anything about even leaning zoo. But I do call myself asexual. It's not about "Abstinance, Chastity, or self-denial, or self-loathing". It's that I don't find anyone sexy. Asexuality doesn't say anything about having sex or not, or the ability or even desire to. If someone I got along well with suggested we head back to their place for the night, I probably would accept. (Just doesn't typically happen because I don't read their signals very well and -- since I don't see them as hot -- don't make them myself.) I am perfectly happy with that identity and myself. The only thing that has any chance of being right is "self-denial", but I (unsurprisingly) am sure that's not the case even if there's no way to prove it.
I do admit it's a bit less clear for me with animals. Where I've been living doesn't let me have pets and the other ones I have asked (not fence-hopping, but kind of long stories) haven't been interested in sex so I didn't push it. Leaves me not completely knowing where I fall between ace and zoo. I do like how they look and move and do fantasize about sex with them. But I strongly suspect that's almost all mental and even if I have a chance to become physical, I won't be any more interested in sex with animals than sex with humans -- fun, feels good, but not a sexual attraction.
Reading that myself, you can say "self-denial" all you want. Still won't change my identity. People outside the asexual community like to think of attraction as one big thing. It's not. I fully admit to being attracted to animals aesthetically, tactilely, and emotionally. Same for sexual fantasies. That does not necessarily mean I'm physically sexually attracted to them. That last one is all that "asexual" means.
Sheppsoldier -2 points on 2017-03-05 17:03:48
That's the whole problem. In order to be asexual you must have a persistent absence of sexual feelings and associations, not just the physical aspect. You can't have something from nothing and you can't claim nothing with something. Anybody can choose not to have physical sex, the determinant is WHY you won't have sex and if it persists or not.
Hopping back and forth between sexual attraction and no sexual attraction of a single circumstance is a normal libido reaction to circumstances. Sometimes even I'm "not in the mood" but that doesn't identify me as asexual one moment but not the next because I'll still become sexually attracted to animals again in the near future.
Similarly, a homosexual is persistently sexually attracted to men(or same sex depending on gender) which does not change. If you're homosexual but then you decide to or become attracted to women, that doesn't classify you as homosexual or straight. It's bisexuality, unless men are the reference point it would be homosexuality with a female kink or vise versa.
Having no sexual attraction is not a valid reference point for sexuality because it is the null reference point. It's the state of not existing. Persistent asexuality is more like a genetic, developmental disorder or degenerative state of the sex drive. Asexuality can be the result of a modification, like neutering and spaying and drug use before sexuality can define itself. It is not a real sexuality, it's a circumstance of something else or a state of confusion.
I don't recognize sexualities that would use their own circumstances to makes claims against a zoophiles choices to have sex with animals
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 2 points on 2017-03-06 23:18:57
You can be sexual while also being asexual. Asexuality is a spectrum and isn't always the complete absence of sex drive, the same way there's a spectrum of zoophilia.
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AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-03-07 19:36:32
Problem, asexuals don't tend to discourage sex. And, I don't need sex, lol. Also, the elements of attraction are biological. It's entirely reasonable and expected that parts of that are gone in some cases, and it's not a disease.
Almost everything biological is on a spectrum, and not binary. Even zoophilia is on a spectrum... A matrix, really. You have people attracted to certain breeds of dogs, perhaps the family canidae in general, perhaps several families like ursidae and equidae.... and to varying scales and kind. Maybe you're only attracted to female bears when dealing with bears, but males when dealing with dogs, for instance. Sometimes someone might be romantically attracted to one thing, but more sexually attracted to another completely different species more, as well. Denying that there are spectrums of other sexualities, by merit of this evidence, is foolhardy.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-07 20:19:10
That's the problem. Youre creating the environment that claims "because some people don't need sex with animals, people shouldn't have sex unless they need it."
They're forcing us to be active asexuals like they would force people to be gay.
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-03-07 21:03:25
We don't need candy, either. Nobody needs candy, but there isn't an environment telling us we shouldn't eat candy unless we absolutely need it. All that's said is that moderation is key, and that you can really have it when you want, within reason, because it's an enjoyable luxury. That stance can be debunked with two sentences, evidently.
WarCanineLove knows no boundaries between species or gender-Mᴬᴰᴬᴿᴬᴼ 1 point on 2017-03-05 20:31:31
I really apologize for his rude and strange behavior.
I have a feeling you have been lurking for a while so you should know that this person isn't really right in his head.
But thank you for making such interesting statements.
It was quite fun to read as I've never seen a person like you. (And I don't mean your asexuality specifically, but how you think and your 'view' on animals.)
MurciDelLago 1 point on 2017-03-06 10:44:44
Mostly lurked on Knotty.me but I did poke my head in here now and then. And, yeah, Shepp's not the best person to try to convince. Of anything. (Seemed that type even before posting, but he's new since the last time I was here. Didn't have quite the exposure to his posts I do now. Actually kind of fun to read in small doses.) I just like to spread awareness -- and it did work. You read it. This group seems more accepting and supportive of asexuality than most, but every story helps. Wish zoophilia was as easy to do that with.
Anyway, glad you enjoyed my view of the world! And thanks for the compliments! But can I ask what stood out most? I'm the first to admit my beliefs aren't typical. Given how familiar they are to me, though, it's hard to know what's least so. (Anywhere else, I'd assume the "asking animals and fully respecting their answer" but I think all of us here know they have their own minds.)
WarCanineLove knows no boundaries between species or gender-Mᴬᴰᴬᴿᴬᴼ 1 point on 2017-03-06 12:32:02
Wait, there are people who don't accept asexuals...?
That's really strange as I've never seen hate for it and see absolutely no reason to be against it.
The thing that I found interesting is that you're both willing to do it with humans and animals.
We have people who actually do that too but I find that unique for an asexual.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
It was... new to me.
And tbh, I haven't talked with much asexuals.
It's a weird world, but then again, this IS the world WE live in.
MurciDelLago 1 point on 2017-03-07 09:51:09
We don't get the same hate other groups do. (Though what we do can still cause trouble indirectly.) A lot of people just think we haven't met the right person yet or are trying to be special or are wrong about our own definitions. Shepp at least serves as an example of the last. Exaggerated of course, but not too far off. All I meant was people here know asexuality exists and believe the aces I've seen who say they are. "Why" is a whole 'nother question. Best I can guess is some people can't imagine life without seeing others as hot. They see the emphasis our culture puts on sex. The way almost all movies force a romantic subplot. (Have you seen Jurassic World? They weren't at all interested in even spending time with each other until the last five minutes.) They can only imagine asexuality as dull and lonely. And they push that fear away by convincing themselves it's not actually possible.
Makes sense that's the interesting point. Definitely not a common combination even in that community and ignoring the zoo. Like I said, sex feels good. And seeing my partner feeling good is just as nice. Sometimes even better. No matter what shape they have. (Even if animals are hypothetical for now.) Asexuality just means I don't share the first couple steps.
Not surprised you haven't talked to many of us. Not exactly the most populous identity. I was always happily surprised myself when I met another ace at university. And that was through the LGBT programs.
And to answer your question from the Amarillo post, I wasn't really clear. I agree the Bible's not anything to use as an argument unless both people agree about its truth. I don't. I do accept other people believing in it. Pulling it up kills discussion just as quickly as "it's not natural" but at least it's not as easily shown as bigoted. Though unless they believe it's eternal and infallible at least a token effort to find other reasons is nice.
Sheppsoldier 0 points on 2017-03-07 12:24:20
Heres a metaphor. "It comes with the package."
If somebody didn't get the package they wouldn't understand what was included inside.
People who have never been there wouldnt understand the sights.
It is so wrong to tell other people they're not allowed to or don't need to experience sex, just because somebody who can't, doesn't want or need to experience it wouldn't do it themselves. Telling people they don't need sex doesn't make anybody a role model, it makes them a neglectful abuser.
That's like telling people they don't need friends or need to go to the beach. There's nothing wrong with having friends or going to the beach when you feel like it. Forcing people to stay inside away from friends and the beach is a dangerous isolating tactic. Forcing people to do only the things they "need" to do is neglectful. Forcing people to "need" sex before they can have it is another dangerous isolating tactic.
Bottom line, if you're claiming non-sexuality, any sexuality or attraction to make claims and cases against people who have sex with animals, then you are wrong. No, sexuality or attraction cant be a real sexuality or attraction as much as its an excuse to neglect other people's sexualities. That's no different than how sexually abused children are used as an excuse to claim that animals are like children.
People are like "I was abused as a child and that dog reminds me of myself" and it gets to people's emotions instead of getting reality...Or some people say "I feel so wonderful not having the burden of sex on my mind" and it gets to people's feelings for convenience instead of getting to reality.
Or a homosexual/straight claiming to be a zoophile to say "Well I don't need to have sex with animals because I can have sex with a man or woman whenever I want, so you need to be like me and have sex with human men and women instead of animals"
I hate those kinds of people so much. Using their sexualities and circumstances to make claims against people who sex with animals. They're frauds.
So many unjustified selfish excuses forcing people into being neuters or forcing zoophiles to have no other choice than to pork those same pig human beings who criminalized the zoophiles choices.
MurciDelLago 1 point on 2017-03-08 09:48:49
All right. I admit I was a little harsh with that. I didn't mean to say people shouldn't have sex. Or that they have to justify it. Or that asexuality is better. I was just guessing wildly about feelings I have no experience with. And not everyone who dismisses asexuality is threatened by it. I do think some who are feel that existential dread. That doesn't mean I should have generalized it or said it like I knew what I was talking about. Sorry, Shepp.
Besides, you read my first post here. You know I don't have anything against sex.
OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 2 points on 2017-03-07 03:00:33
I do understand that people choose not to have sex and might castrate themselves for some reasons sometimes. I just didn't realize they felt so strongly to claim "not having sex" as a sexuality.
I believe the correct terms for asexuality are Abstinance, Chastity, or self-denial. I'll also throw in self-loathing.
No, I don't believe you get to decide what terms people use for themselves. I also don't think anyone seriously argues that zoosexuality is "not a thing" but rather that it's immoral.
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OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 1 point on 2017-03-07 15:07:03
Really? I don't get to decide? What the fuck makes it OK for you?
Being myself? Any individual should be able to decide their own labels. I wouldn't claim to be able to decide your labels. If you want to call yourself a zoophile, I'm not stopping you, despite me thinking up and down from your behavior that you are anything but.
The rest of your post is a bunch of insane conclusions I won't even bother to address, because none of them are even remotely close to true.
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OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 1 point on 2017-03-07 15:44:03
Oh but you'll use your own label as a non-sexual zoophile to deny other zoophiles the right to have sex with animals? Just because you wouldn't do it, right?
No.
Maybe I'll say you're not a zoophile because I'm going to use my label and actual sexual experience as a zoophile to discredit your existence.
gl.
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Sheppsoldier -2 points on 2017-03-04 02:15:03
Tell people to stop acting like sex is some special thing. Sex with animals isn't special and people shouldn't have to worry about being caught.
It's just sex.
Lefthandedsock 8 points on 2017-03-04 03:48:22
Nah, that's actually a pretty good way to get more attention and then get caught.
Sheppsoldier -1 points on 2017-03-04 04:02:46
Not really. Special people get more special attention, because they're special.
Lefthandedsock 4 points on 2017-03-04 04:17:18
Yes, really. People who speak up get attention.
Ever heard the phrase "The squeaky wheel gets the grease"? In this case, the grease is seizure of your animals and a place on the sex offenders registry.
While I understand that you wish to advocate for the normalization of zoophilia, that's not what this thread is about. This thread about how to stay undercover and out of trouble. And putting yourself in the public eye as an advocate of zoophilia will get you noticed.
Sheppsoldier 0 points on 2017-03-04 14:58:27
"People who speak up get attention."
At least I know I'm not special.
To be completely honest with you, zoophilia or whatever you call it has been normal for a very long time. The people who didn't know that probably live or came from somewhere isolated from animals.
Not sure what changed to make sex with animals abnormal other than restrictive education systems or a "special" way of thinking.
Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2017-03-04 17:21:47
Did I say anyone was special? I don't know why you keep bringing it up, because I agree. We're not special. I get it.
Zoophilia isn't socially acceptable. That's what I mean by saying it's not normal. It's unacceptable to an extreme, obviously. Seeing as we have laws against it. I understand that zoophilia has been practiced for thousands of years. That doesn't make it socially acceptable, considered normal by the general public or the law, or legal.
Regardless of what caused zoophilia to be considered abnormal, it's unadvisable for a zoophile to speak up about zoophilia if they're trying to remain undercover.
That's all this thread is about. Avoiding being caught.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-05 00:44:32
OK? It's not socially acceptable because it's special, so people have to stop acting like we have to be special to do it. Special is not normal. Start by being normal and nobody will get caught.
Why make a thread about being caught if we shouldn't be special enough to get caught? We stop making threads that tell people how to avoid getting caught, because only criminals have to worry about getting caught.
We look special, we look criminal, we don't look normal.
We're not criminals so "be normal" about what you're doing.
Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2017-03-05 00:47:03
You live in an fantasy world if you think it's that easy.
30-30amator equae 2 points on 2017-03-05 01:04:50
Delete the last 6 words of your post and you´ll be damn near the truth. ;)
Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2017-03-05 01:37:33
I completely agree. I may as well be talking to a wall.
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Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2017-03-06 00:44:57
30-30 is rather old and very experienced, if not a bit crazed at times.
And I'm not sure what being a virgin could possibly have to do with any of this, but I'm certainly not one.
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-03-06 15:09:36
Shepp's comment here reminded me about something one of my favorite comedians said. Clipped it for the curious.
Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2017-03-06 15:17:36
That clip always gets a laugh out of me.
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Sheppsoldier 0 points on 2017-03-05 23:40:27
Virgins like you don't know the truth. Go pop a cherry and come back when you're ready to handle the information without crying about it.
Sheppsoldier 0 points on 2017-03-05 01:08:01
Uhm.. actually it is easy.
In a fantasy world nobody has sex or goes poop or pee. In the real adult world people have sex with animals and are mature enough to handle it.
Even animals are more mature about adult actions like sex.
If people are not mature enough to handle the idea of other people having sex, then they are not adults and shouldn't have rights to make decisions for the adults. They should be in daycare under the supervision of real adults.
Like, go make fun of pee pee, poo poo and create a macaroni noodle picture of people on top of animals where other children will appreciate the immaturity.
Logic is for machines, and I think you're programmed to avoid time outs from mommy and daddy by hiding the broccoli you didn't want to eat. Very avoidant personality.
There must be more real adults out of those 7 billion people, not just myself. A real independent adult refuses to eat broccoli and lets people know about it. They understand how to use the word No.
K. Goodnight sweetheart. Don't forget to have someone tuck you in.
Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2017-03-05 01:34:55
Yes, that's a very nice thought. Unfortunately, the other 7 billion people aren't on board with that.
For the same reason I wait to see a car slow down before I step into a sidewalk, I keep quiet about being a zoophile. Because even if you're doing nothing wrong, other people always find a way to fuck up your life if you don't watch your back.
I can tell you're not thinking logically or realistically, so this will be my last response to you. I assure you.
Have a pleasant night or day.
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bqpdbqpd 1 point on 2017-03-05 02:15:04
You first. Have fun in prison, ostracized from your friends and family.
We can all tell you have no job or responsibilites. You have nothing to lose by being openly zoosexual, but some of us do everything to lose.
BurnedRowanbig ol' pupper 3 points on 2017-03-04 12:39:33
zoophile: gets caught in the act knotted to a dog well you see this isn't some special thing and your reaction is simply a biproduct of our puritanical society.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-05 00:55:26
Yes.
"Psh...Who hasn't had sex with their dog??
You??
Well you must be so so special"
Honestly though, everyone around here has had sex with an animal. That's a major aspect of growing up. It's an adult thing.
30-30amator equae 2 points on 2017-03-05 01:02:18
If you really have the impression that everyone around you has or had sex with an nonhuman animal, you´re either comsuming animal porn too much and obviously mistake your screen for reality from excessive animal porn consumption or you really should question your neigborhood...
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OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 1 point on 2017-03-05 03:45:45
You do realize that you are dealing with adults here? Right? Acting childish doesn't help your case and certainly doesn't bring us down any.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-05 04:09:02
I can't realize something that looks otherwise. For example, realize your post above...
OS2: "No you're the childish one!"
See that? I'm not trying to bring anybody down, I'm just showing the real adults how virginity doesn't and cannot understand the topic. Not only that but they admitted naivety multiple times over the course of other topics.
If you don't know something then don't chastise somebody who does.
This is why I like animals. Animal virgins at least have the instinct for the information before the fact. Human virgins do not.
WarCanineLove knows no boundaries between species or gender-Mᴬᴰᴬᴿᴬᴼ 1 point on 2017-03-05 05:56:24
God damn do you scare me...
I refuse you believe you are a troll.
Because there's actual people that are just as dumb as you.
And who would spend that much time to troll?
Well, you're sad either way.
I hope somebody puts you out of your misery soon enough.
Looking at your post history gives me two images.
A 'trolly' teen giggling behind is computer, adjusting his broken glasses after every 5 letters and gets beaten by town bullies and uncle Frank.
Or some kind of man who's growling at people from his basement window and lives there as your family doesn't want you to interact with the outside world because they fear that people will put you in a mental hospital.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-05 15:47:04
Don't cop-out on the troll excuse. If I was a troll, feeding me would make things worse for you and they do...
However, not feeding me doesn't appear to be working that well either.
Confirmed. You cannot realize something that you require to be otherwise, and the state of being is not your decision when you cannot understand it.
You don't have the instinct, age, discipline or the proper experience.
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"Everybody" is an overstatement that you wish was true. Fortunately for me there are only so many arrogant children and virgins here. Innocence and intelligence are two different concepts, you know? (Of course you don't know...)
Adults wouldn't use the troll excuse to avoid and ignore exposure to the information.
My bringing attention to your state of mind is not the same as calling you a troll. Youre not a troll. You're just not very observant or understanding.
WarCanine: "No, you're using excuses!! No you are! No you are!"
Yes, actually it is all very clear and relevant. You're not mature enough to handle this information or mature enough to handle animals because your judgement is either impaired or underdeveloped. If you're not paying attention you'll get kicked in the head or make mistakes that are dangerous to the animals.
Maybe you should learn how to pay attention in school before you get hurt playing with adult animals, k?
WarCanineLove knows no boundaries between species or gender-Mᴬᴰᴬᴿᴬᴼ 1 point on 2017-03-05 16:29:49
No really, everybody thinks you're a troll.
But honestly, I'm going to keep feeding you because it's quite funny.
It's hilarious how 'I cop out on the troll excuse' yet you use age, instinct, proper experience ir discipline as an excuse.
All of which have nothing to do with this and are not relevant.
So I will r8 this b8 8/8 m8. 👍👌
30-30amator equae 1 point on 2017-03-05 16:34:09
Trolluzky
WarCanineLove knows no boundaries between species or gender-Mᴬᴰᴬᴿᴬᴼ 1 point on 2017-03-05 18:20:13
I just realized, Aluzky's account is active again.
He's not been replying to my older comments which is a thing he always did.
Heh, me and maybe that Alpha guy really gave him the one 'n two and Aluzky got sick of it.
It´s not only this little hint at Shepp being a duplicate accont of A.
The incredibly incoherent way of "reasoning", the ineptness of connecting to people via words, the excessiveness of responding...maybe my gut feelings betray me sometimes, but I doubt it errs here. What is most remarkable is how Shepp´s "attitude" matches A´s deeds perfectly. Remember, A is a "zoo activist" relies on this moronic "just confront society" method...do you see the similarities now?
And who else would attack especially us two with such fervor if he´s a newcomer and not connected to A at all?
By the way: I´ve been occasionally watching A´s account in the last few weeks, too. Have you noticed he calls himself an "exclusive zoosexual" since he was a kid, but in another post, he frankly confesses getting fucked by one of his "friends".....duh! ;) Maybe my English teacher taught me bad, but I always thought "exclusive" means "not at all, not in a million years"...;)
WarCanineLove knows no boundaries between species or gender-Mᴬᴰᴬᴿᴬᴼ 1 point on 2017-03-05 19:08:42
I remember both of us making a joke at some point about him being in jail and getting fucked by his inmates.
One of his replies to either yours or mine was something along the lines of this: "Well I am no homophobe, I wouldn't mind gay sex since I took my BF's knot."
Or something like that...
I wonder why I even am surprised...
He is a sexual deviant for sure. And sadly to say, he is a zoo and we know how much that a lot of zoos are... not well.
I reaaaally want to confront him about it. Not for the fun of it, but because I'm extremely curious.
30-30amator equae 1 point on 2017-03-05 19:25:54
"I´m no homophobe"....according to his own words , that would be rather illogical for the full blown gay he is. ;)
I´m not similarly curious about A as you , the major reason for that lack of curiosity , to be frank, is that I´ve met and talked to way too much guys of his ilk. There really is nothing that could surprise me anymore or something that sheds a different light on his personality and conduct. I´m way too familiar with those "zoos"...
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-05 17:25:02
Adults wouldn't use the troll excuse to avoid or ignore responsibility and exposure to the information.
My bringing attention to your state of mind is not the same as calling you a troll. Youre not a troll. You're just not very observant or understanding. That's the immaturity of attention deficit disorder...
WarCanine: "*No, you're using excuses!!"'
Yes, actually everything I said is very relevant. You're not mature enough to handle this information and not mature enough to handle animals.
Your judgement is impaired. If you're not paying attention you'll get kicked in the head.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-05 17:37:21
Adults wouldn't use the troll excuse to avoid and ignore exposure to the information.
My bringing attention to your state of mind is not the same as calling you a troll. Youre not a troll. You're just not very observant or understanding. Like attention deficit disorder...
WarCanine: "*No, you're using excuses!!"'
Yes, actually it is all very clear and relevant. You're not mature enough to handle this information or mature enough to handle animals because your judgement is impaired. If you're not paying attention you'll get kicked in the head or make mistakes that are dangerous to the animals.
Maybe you should learn how to pay attention in school before you get hurt, k?
WarCanineLove knows no boundaries between species or gender-Mᴬᴰᴬᴿᴬᴼ 1 point on 2017-03-05 18:17:23
OOooOOooh, double reply.
Mmmm, not sure if legitimately pissed of or really just a troll.
Do we really need to get Uncle Frank?
HEY FRANK! GET THE FUCKIN' BELT!
HE GOT ON OUR COMPUTER AGAIN, ARGUING ABOUT SHAGGIN' OUR 23 CATS R SOMETHIN'! I had to stop my daily football show for THIS? Oooh uncle's gonna give you an early Christmas present, and you know exactly why they call me Red-Ass Uncle Frank, boy!
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-05 23:18:00
Please read above
WarCanineLove knows no boundaries between species or gender-Mᴬᴰᴬᴿᴬᴼ 1 point on 2017-03-05 23:38:17
Uncle Frank's words circle around you...
GODDAMMIT SHEPP!! YOU'RE AN ADULT MAN!! IF YA WANNA SHAG ANY OF OUR CATS YA GOTTA GROW A PAIR FIRST!
Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2017-03-06 00:51:08
Can we just get rid of this asshole? He contributes nothing.
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Lefthandedsock 1 point on 2017-03-06 01:05:28
Nah, I'll ask the flying monkeys.
I see you're very fond of referencing the concept of parental punishment when speaking to adults, which is quite unusual. Is there a reason for that?
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OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 1 point on 2017-03-07 03:01:22
I supported it with your childish behavior you kindly provided above, though... pretty compelling I might add.
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OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 1 point on 2017-03-07 03:34:02
You couldn't even support your own false attraction to animals without begging your virginity and having daddy stand up for you. Are you even kidding me?
lolwut? Is this seriously some elaborate shitpost bot? I don't even know what that means. Daddy never stood up for me either... you are aware that both my parents drugged the shit out of me... and I still come across as more sane than you?
Food for thought.
"Compelling you might add?" Just say "It's compelling." Stop overdressing your rigidity. It's not fancy, just fruity gay.
That's how I talk. I'll be as fruity gay as I like, thank you very much. Deal with it.
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OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 1 point on 2017-03-07 11:53:13
Hearing I'm retarded from you is frankly quite amusing, and kinda reassuring.
PS: I really don't want you to be rigid, or a robot. Or especially a rigid robot. Just sayin'
30-30amator equae 1 point on 2017-03-07 14:51:12
Well, R., after our hero unveiled that he "likes animals because of" being able to do with them as he pleases, unlike these insert random unfounded insult here and insert another random insult, things should be quite clear. This is a severe case of "evasive zoophilia"...because humans are "so complicated" and dare to have opinions differing to our hero´s, the fallback towards animals is taken. That´s why I don´t complain about the constant insulting. I´ve learned that letting these people talk freely rather than trying to censor them is the best way to carve out their main motivation...which in this case is yet another try to escape "complications"...or, as our hero puts it "Animals just do it". Add rejection of love as he displayed in several posts and add all the set figures plus all the variables....would you leave your animal alone with him? Case closed.
OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 1 point on 2017-03-07 15:06:24
Honestly, I'm all for letting idiots like him fully excercise their freedom of speech. They expose themselves for what they are, no help needed.
So yeah, for once I completely agree with you.
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-03-07 19:58:08
Since you didn't get the hint last time, and have been pretty prolific in this thread, you're getting a double. That means every post that breaks rule 7 in this thread, by my discretion(which is pretty strict), made by you is going to disappear into the ether. The next time you get enforced against, you'll get a tempban and a repeat of what's happening in this thread now.
"you weren't disciplined properly as a child" is not an observation, by the by. Calling people flying monkeys is not flattery, and it most certainly is not respect. Further alluding to other people being 'children' in these juvenile personal attacks of yours is also not respectful.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-08 00:12:55
Maybe you should have been paying attention when I was given deconstructive criticism for my posts earlier. It's not my fault that I had to salvage body parts from my attackers to put this Frankenstein together.
You're not a very good moderator, very heavily biased an corrupt like a "child enabler." That's not a personal attack, that's constructive criticism. Pay attention, because attention deficits aren't helping here.
You come off as being 100℅ fraudulant.
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-03-08 00:27:55
k. Long as you know the rules from here on out and know that poorly used loopholes don't apply.
Oh, and I'm more on your side than you think.
OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 2 points on 2017-03-08 00:42:37
Oh, and I'm more on your side than you think.
Honestly Sheppsoldier, he is. I can't think of a mod on earth I know who would be this patient with an individual behaving like this. This is constructive criticism, cool your jets a bit and everything will be ok.
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AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-03-08 01:50:48
Sometimes not responding, and just listening, is better.
Oh, and rules are the backbone of society. Without them, cars would be crashing into eachother, people would be dead on the streets, and government would have no authority. Rules are there to prevent those things, and while anarchy can work, it cannot and has not worked here.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-08 03:27:52
Is it the "best"?
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-03-08 03:36:11
In this case, yes.
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-03-06 17:07:07
Honestly though, everyone around here has had sex with an animal. That's a major aspect of growing up. It's an adult thing.
*cough cough*
No, no, I really haven't. I'd say a pretty hefty chunk of the people here haven't or won't do it.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-06 18:44:03
Then they are fraud. You do understand what fraud is, correct?
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-03-06 18:45:52
Or it's illegal in their jurisdiction and they aren't willing to break the law to get their rocks off, regardless of whether it's an unjust law or not.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-06 21:35:29
Oh you're so right. Cowards. They rat on and doxx real zoophiles to save themselves, hide their own identities to make themselves look good to their animal welfare buddies.
Like... "Hi, I know what this person and that person does. I'm such a hero!"
They're disgusting, parasitic, "bestiality" discriminating frauds posing as zoophiles...Posers and people killers.
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-03-06 21:40:24
You can choose not to have sex with nonhuman animals on the basis of legality while still not ratting people out.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-06 23:32:04
What do you mean by choose not to? When there's monsters out there killing and brutalizing people who choose to have sex with animals, I don't believe anybody chooses not to have sex with animals. They're threatened... However they do choose to rat people out to save themselves and their own animals.
I'm getting very tired of living under these anti-bestiality laws created by murderers and serial killer fake zoophiles just so they can kill and legally strangle whoever they disagree with at any given moment by using the legal system. There are too many dangerous non-sexual zoophiles who stigmatize against the act of sex, and I think they're worse than the anti-zoos because we can't tell the difference, when they're going to "change" and stab us in the back or when they're claiming to be good people. They're not innocent, they're volatile people killers who are too close with the equally psychopathic animal welfare people.
Like jeckle-hyde. They'll be our friends one moment then turn into twisted monsters accusing us of animal abuse and sexual assaults and our lives will get flushed down the toilet.
We don't have a choice. Nobody ever gave us a choice because subconsciously even those freak zooohiles want us to fuck with humans and nothing else. They are not good people, they are not trustworthy.
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Would you jump off a bridge or sacrifice your children to the fiery devil god out of principal too?
Don't you people understand the two sides of boundaries? Sure you won't overstep one boundary for yourselves but you'll do backflips and barrel rolls over ever other... just to set up more boundaries and entrap everyone else.
You people don't have a real functioning conscience whatsoever. Not real zoo, just retarded and fraudulent.
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-03-07 02:05:14
They're threatened... However they do choose to rat people out to save themselves and their own animals.
You don't have to be threatened by the law to obey it. I'm not afraid of not stopping at a stop sign, I do it out of principal.
Sheppsoldier 1 point on 2017-03-07 03:16:41
Would you jump off a bridge out of principal too?
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 2 points on 2017-03-07 04:38:27
That's what you call a false analogy. The implication would be that they're similar in nature, but the reality of the matter is that they're fundamentally different. But yeah, I would. Since you didn't add any stipulations to your statement, I'd be able to cross bungee jumping off my bucket list in the process.
StarliteMagnificentHorse Nut 1 point on 2017-03-04 12:06:41
First, do not do it with an animal that is not yours or on property that is not yours either, you know, Fence hoping. Outside that I would think just as you would with a human partner you don't go taking pictures to post for others to see or having sex in the middle of the town square in broad day light! Many who get caught are because of them having this need to rub their sexual life in everyone's faces. True having someone to joke about things and speak to in regards to your feelings toward your partners is nice but that is what we have the net for of course with keeping in mind to not give out to much info and even if you find someone in person who is like minded you do not talk about such things anywhere others may hear that would warrant suspicion of the locals.
substallionלשלוט בי, הסוס שלי 2 points on 2017-03-07 09:20:42
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Don't trespass and don't film yourself. Takes care of 90% of the problem.
Or, to put it even more simply: don't do stupid shit.
Don't let anyone see it, don't talk about and don't show it.
If you're on the internet, the same things count.
But if you're like me who doesn't care and just straight up admit it online, don't click suspicious links and don't provide personal information.
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Because urinating on your mattress when under the control of a parental influence and doing something on your own, behind your own controlled closed-door environment are totally similar.
Well you're not going to tell everybody about it right? They might put you on the "pee-pee registry" if you leak the information.
I'm sure there is a bedwetting registry, yes.
Are you capable of anything beyond buzzwords? Just curious. At this point I'm actually wondering if you might be a bot. Can you pass the Turing test?
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I think you might actually be retarded. Actually, I hope you are, because it would at least provide an excuse for the drivel you spout.
You are now on ignore, and for once, I feel it justified, as you're more confusing than that timecube guy. Good day.
I'm beginning to think he might literally be mentally handicapped, or at least autistic.
I'm autistic. Autism is not an excuse for that level of behavior.
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I like how I suddenly discriminate against people who have sex with animals, despite being one.
Oh? You claimed you never had sex with one. Which one is it?
I claimed I never had intercourse with one, adjust your head.
Sex isn't all intercourse. I'd say I've done sexually things, yes. I've always said that. I can't anymore because my heart would probably kill me, literally.
As WarCanine said, simply STFU in inappropriate circumstances and environments is dealing with a huge chunk of the problem just fine.
But there are some constellations that pose a risk per se, such as having to attend a public stable because you don´t own a farm or other sufficing territory for horsekeeping. With direct contact to the "outside world" on a daily basis, things can get out of hands doubletripleextra fast if you do not properly maintain a high level of precautions. A good idea to start from in such a situation is using the grey matter between the ears and respect the fact that most normals don´t want their world turned into an animal porn site....
By the way: I believe many folks in here vastly exaggerate the legal consequences, but forget about what IMHO is more damaging than paying a fine or even sitting in jail for some months or a year...the social stigmatisation that is completely independent and detached from the legal status of interspecies sex. Jail time ends some day....but people might refuse to "resocialise" you...effects of that can range from clandestine hostility like the waiter spitting on your plate in your favourite restaurant up to being threatened and/or beaten up by some self proclaimed "animal welfare activists".
I´d even say that , as everything in life, zoophilia includes a certain degree of risk. Anyone not willing to deal with this risk responsibly and rational, without constant complaining about "the hardships of zoophilia" and "unjust, prejudiced" society should really get another hobby.
While I agree with you that at least in most European countries, the legal implications of being caught in the act of having sex with an animal are moderate, we have to acknowledge that in many jurisdictions, the consequences a zoophile might face are, by far, more severe. Being registered as a sex offender, for instance, might not only destroy a person's social life, but is definitely going to shatter his or her career, reducing the chance of getting a decent job again to zero. Then there's another variable that seems to be missing in your equation: the animals. While being behind bars for a year might seem like a tolerable sacrifice to those among us who would even "die for their convictions", the potential consequences for the animals involved might be even more traumatizing. To me, the most crucial factor when dealing with the risk of being caught has always been the safety of my mare. When it comes down to it, I am the one who has to take responsibility not only for my own, but especially for her wellbeing. To be honest, seeing her suffer because of my foolish misdeeds would bother me more than facing a prison sentence myself.
Well, I believed that this was quite obvious without much further say...the animal always will have to endure the worst consequences, of course. Relocation or euthanasia...
I hope you didn't take offense at my comment. In fact, I didn't mean to criticize or refute your arguments. Rather, I intended to express my dissatisfaction with the way this crucial aspect has been neglected in the discussion. Of course, I agree with your assertion that everything I’ve written should be obvious to anyone in their right mind. Nevertheless, I wanted to emphasize that the wellbeing of our animals has to be the top priority for us zoophiles. This implies that we are obliged to take into consideration the potential consequences that our actions might have for our beloved ones even before we assess the risks that we as humans might face. While these arguments might seem self-evident to those among us who are truly in love with their animals, there´s strong evidence that a considerable number of zoophiles tend to put their interests first, which has motivated me to formulate my initial comment.
Don´t worry, I´m not a a sensible mimosa...;) I tend to leave out the "zoo no brainers" because I think this is self evident and part of every true zoo´s life reality...or, as the zeta rules state "The animal ALWAYS comes first"...in every aspect.
Honestly, don´t worry about offending me, it takes an awful lot of malevolence and hitting the right triggerpoints for me to be offended...I already was kinda thickskinned when I was young and the 30 years since I first had sex with a mare made my skin even thicker thoughout the years.
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Do you think it is a hobby, or that people have a choice? I think you know better.
I don't forget about the social consequences, however those are comparatively easy to get around: At worst, move somewhere new, or at best, per your advice in another thread, be a good person and maybe people won't hold it against you.
The consequences of being convicted of a felony (in many places) and/or sex crime are, suffice it to say, pretty bad for your future after prison, even beyond being imprisoned for perhaps a few years with perpetrators of "actual" sex crimes. It is a bit ridiculous to compare such an experience as on par with "like everything in life."
It goes back to our prior exchange: What YOU PERSONALLY consider comfortable may not reflect other people, living in other jurisdictions. You might consider them vastly exaggerating the consequences, whereas they might consider you vastly understating them.
First rule of fight club.
keep private life and public life separate, like everyone else. you don't need to share your sexlife youknow
It shouldn't be criminal if we do share, because eavesdroppers wouldn't understand privacy regardless.
It might be criminal, and if it weren't I still wouldn't share, period. Me sharing isn't pivotal on it being legal or not.
If there is no need in sharing, then I won't share, be it sexual life, be it me job / study / life.
I respect that, but everybody cannot be an isolationist. The consequences of exposure are more harmful to society than the exposure itself.
The more people require privacy, the more deadly they will become in order to keep that privacy.
Privacy is the thing that is most important. Giving that away for whatever is nonsense.
People don't always give privacy away themselves. Trespassing isn't only for fencehoppers.
No one ever should give away privacy, period Giving it up is stupid.
Same goes for free speech, just because you don't have anything to say, it shouldn't be removed. also, read: free speech doesn't mean you should be free from criticism
Shut the blinds, lock the door, and use lots of lube. Aside from that, listen to WarCanine. If people really push, say your asexual (Not attracted to anything).
And leave as little evidence as you can. Dont take pictures, videos, whatever.
Besides the obvious, I think it's safer if people come up with their own ideas to avoid "excuse stereotyping."
Wouldn't be the first time I've heard someone claim asexuality. That's like saying "hey I'm hiding something."
You do realize there are legitimate asexuals in this world, right?
No?
I do understand that people choose not to have sex and might castrate themselves for some reasons sometimes. I just didn't realize they felt so strongly to claim "not having sex" as a sexuality.
If zoosexuality isn't a thing then asexuality isn't a thing.
I believe the correct terms for asexuality are Abstinance, Chastity, or self-denial. I'll also throw in self-loathing.
Maybe I don't care about people that wouldn't care about others people's sexual drives. They don't deserve to call themselves asexual.
My saying this has less weight here than elsewhere, where I don't say anything about even leaning zoo. But I do call myself asexual. It's not about "Abstinance, Chastity, or self-denial, or self-loathing". It's that I don't find anyone sexy. Asexuality doesn't say anything about having sex or not, or the ability or even desire to. If someone I got along well with suggested we head back to their place for the night, I probably would accept. (Just doesn't typically happen because I don't read their signals very well and -- since I don't see them as hot -- don't make them myself.) I am perfectly happy with that identity and myself. The only thing that has any chance of being right is "self-denial", but I (unsurprisingly) am sure that's not the case even if there's no way to prove it.
I do admit it's a bit less clear for me with animals. Where I've been living doesn't let me have pets and the other ones I have asked (not fence-hopping, but kind of long stories) haven't been interested in sex so I didn't push it. Leaves me not completely knowing where I fall between ace and zoo. I do like how they look and move and do fantasize about sex with them. But I strongly suspect that's almost all mental and even if I have a chance to become physical, I won't be any more interested in sex with animals than sex with humans -- fun, feels good, but not a sexual attraction.
Reading that myself, you can say "self-denial" all you want. Still won't change my identity. People outside the asexual community like to think of attraction as one big thing. It's not. I fully admit to being attracted to animals aesthetically, tactilely, and emotionally. Same for sexual fantasies. That does not necessarily mean I'm physically sexually attracted to them. That last one is all that "asexual" means.
That's the whole problem. In order to be asexual you must have a persistent absence of sexual feelings and associations, not just the physical aspect. You can't have something from nothing and you can't claim nothing with something. Anybody can choose not to have physical sex, the determinant is WHY you won't have sex and if it persists or not.
Hopping back and forth between sexual attraction and no sexual attraction of a single circumstance is a normal libido reaction to circumstances. Sometimes even I'm "not in the mood" but that doesn't identify me as asexual one moment but not the next because I'll still become sexually attracted to animals again in the near future.
Similarly, a homosexual is persistently sexually attracted to men(or same sex depending on gender) which does not change. If you're homosexual but then you decide to or become attracted to women, that doesn't classify you as homosexual or straight. It's bisexuality, unless men are the reference point it would be homosexuality with a female kink or vise versa.
Having no sexual attraction is not a valid reference point for sexuality because it is the null reference point. It's the state of not existing. Persistent asexuality is more like a genetic, developmental disorder or degenerative state of the sex drive. Asexuality can be the result of a modification, like neutering and spaying and drug use before sexuality can define itself. It is not a real sexuality, it's a circumstance of something else or a state of confusion.
I don't recognize sexualities that would use their own circumstances to makes claims against a zoophiles choices to have sex with animals
You can be sexual while also being asexual. Asexuality is a spectrum and isn't always the complete absence of sex drive, the same way there's a spectrum of zoophilia.
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Problem, asexuals don't tend to discourage sex. And, I don't need sex, lol. Also, the elements of attraction are biological. It's entirely reasonable and expected that parts of that are gone in some cases, and it's not a disease.
Almost everything biological is on a spectrum, and not binary. Even zoophilia is on a spectrum... A matrix, really. You have people attracted to certain breeds of dogs, perhaps the family canidae in general, perhaps several families like ursidae and equidae.... and to varying scales and kind. Maybe you're only attracted to female bears when dealing with bears, but males when dealing with dogs, for instance. Sometimes someone might be romantically attracted to one thing, but more sexually attracted to another completely different species more, as well. Denying that there are spectrums of other sexualities, by merit of this evidence, is foolhardy.
That's the problem. Youre creating the environment that claims "because some people don't need sex with animals, people shouldn't have sex unless they need it." They're forcing us to be active asexuals like they would force people to be gay.
We don't need candy, either. Nobody needs candy, but there isn't an environment telling us we shouldn't eat candy unless we absolutely need it. All that's said is that moderation is key, and that you can really have it when you want, within reason, because it's an enjoyable luxury. That stance can be debunked with two sentences, evidently.
I really apologize for his rude and strange behavior.
I have a feeling you have been lurking for a while so you should know that this person isn't really right in his head.
But thank you for making such interesting statements.
It was quite fun to read as I've never seen a person like you. (And I don't mean your asexuality specifically, but how you think and your 'view' on animals.)
Mostly lurked on Knotty.me but I did poke my head in here now and then. And, yeah, Shepp's not the best person to try to convince. Of anything. (Seemed that type even before posting, but he's new since the last time I was here. Didn't have quite the exposure to his posts I do now. Actually kind of fun to read in small doses.) I just like to spread awareness -- and it did work. You read it. This group seems more accepting and supportive of asexuality than most, but every story helps. Wish zoophilia was as easy to do that with.
Anyway, glad you enjoyed my view of the world! And thanks for the compliments! But can I ask what stood out most? I'm the first to admit my beliefs aren't typical. Given how familiar they are to me, though, it's hard to know what's least so. (Anywhere else, I'd assume the "asking animals and fully respecting their answer" but I think all of us here know they have their own minds.)
Wait, there are people who don't accept asexuals...?
That's really strange as I've never seen hate for it and see absolutely no reason to be against it.
The thing that I found interesting is that you're both willing to do it with humans and animals.
We have people who actually do that too but I find that unique for an asexual.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
It was... new to me.
And tbh, I haven't talked with much asexuals.
It's a weird world, but then again, this IS the world WE live in.
We don't get the same hate other groups do. (Though what we do can still cause trouble indirectly.) A lot of people just think we haven't met the right person yet or are trying to be special or are wrong about our own definitions. Shepp at least serves as an example of the last. Exaggerated of course, but not too far off. All I meant was people here know asexuality exists and believe the aces I've seen who say they are. "Why" is a whole 'nother question. Best I can guess is some people can't imagine life without seeing others as hot. They see the emphasis our culture puts on sex. The way almost all movies force a romantic subplot. (Have you seen Jurassic World? They weren't at all interested in even spending time with each other until the last five minutes.) They can only imagine asexuality as dull and lonely. And they push that fear away by convincing themselves it's not actually possible.
Makes sense that's the interesting point. Definitely not a common combination even in that community and ignoring the zoo. Like I said, sex feels good. And seeing my partner feeling good is just as nice. Sometimes even better. No matter what shape they have. (Even if animals are hypothetical for now.) Asexuality just means I don't share the first couple steps.
Not surprised you haven't talked to many of us. Not exactly the most populous identity. I was always happily surprised myself when I met another ace at university. And that was through the LGBT programs.
And to answer your question from the Amarillo post, I wasn't really clear. I agree the Bible's not anything to use as an argument unless both people agree about its truth. I don't. I do accept other people believing in it. Pulling it up kills discussion just as quickly as "it's not natural" but at least it's not as easily shown as bigoted. Though unless they believe it's eternal and infallible at least a token effort to find other reasons is nice.
Heres a metaphor. "It comes with the package."
If somebody didn't get the package they wouldn't understand what was included inside. People who have never been there wouldnt understand the sights.
It is so wrong to tell other people they're not allowed to or don't need to experience sex, just because somebody who can't, doesn't want or need to experience it wouldn't do it themselves. Telling people they don't need sex doesn't make anybody a role model, it makes them a neglectful abuser.
That's like telling people they don't need friends or need to go to the beach. There's nothing wrong with having friends or going to the beach when you feel like it. Forcing people to stay inside away from friends and the beach is a dangerous isolating tactic. Forcing people to do only the things they "need" to do is neglectful. Forcing people to "need" sex before they can have it is another dangerous isolating tactic.
Bottom line, if you're claiming non-sexuality, any sexuality or attraction to make claims and cases against people who have sex with animals, then you are wrong. No, sexuality or attraction cant be a real sexuality or attraction as much as its an excuse to neglect other people's sexualities. That's no different than how sexually abused children are used as an excuse to claim that animals are like children. People are like "I was abused as a child and that dog reminds me of myself" and it gets to people's emotions instead of getting reality...Or some people say "I feel so wonderful not having the burden of sex on my mind" and it gets to people's feelings for convenience instead of getting to reality.
Or a homosexual/straight claiming to be a zoophile to say "Well I don't need to have sex with animals because I can have sex with a man or woman whenever I want, so you need to be like me and have sex with human men and women instead of animals" I hate those kinds of people so much. Using their sexualities and circumstances to make claims against people who sex with animals. They're frauds.
So many unjustified selfish excuses forcing people into being neuters or forcing zoophiles to have no other choice than to pork those same pig human beings who criminalized the zoophiles choices.
All right. I admit I was a little harsh with that. I didn't mean to say people shouldn't have sex. Or that they have to justify it. Or that asexuality is better. I was just guessing wildly about feelings I have no experience with. And not everyone who dismisses asexuality is threatened by it. I do think some who are feel that existential dread. That doesn't mean I should have generalized it or said it like I knew what I was talking about. Sorry, Shepp.
Besides, you read my first post here. You know I don't have anything against sex.
Well, prepare to have your mind blown:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexuality
No, I don't believe you get to decide what terms people use for themselves. I also don't think anyone seriously argues that zoosexuality is "not a thing" but rather that it's immoral.
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Being myself? Any individual should be able to decide their own labels. I wouldn't claim to be able to decide your labels. If you want to call yourself a zoophile, I'm not stopping you, despite me thinking up and down from your behavior that you are anything but.
The rest of your post is a bunch of insane conclusions I won't even bother to address, because none of them are even remotely close to true.
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No.
gl.
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Tell people to stop acting like sex is some special thing. Sex with animals isn't special and people shouldn't have to worry about being caught. It's just sex.
Nah, that's actually a pretty good way to get more attention and then get caught.
Not really. Special people get more special attention, because they're special.
Yes, really. People who speak up get attention.
Ever heard the phrase "The squeaky wheel gets the grease"? In this case, the grease is seizure of your animals and a place on the sex offenders registry.
While I understand that you wish to advocate for the normalization of zoophilia, that's not what this thread is about. This thread about how to stay undercover and out of trouble. And putting yourself in the public eye as an advocate of zoophilia will get you noticed.
"People who speak up get attention."
At least I know I'm not special.
To be completely honest with you, zoophilia or whatever you call it has been normal for a very long time. The people who didn't know that probably live or came from somewhere isolated from animals.
Not sure what changed to make sex with animals abnormal other than restrictive education systems or a "special" way of thinking.
Did I say anyone was special? I don't know why you keep bringing it up, because I agree. We're not special. I get it.
Zoophilia isn't socially acceptable. That's what I mean by saying it's not normal. It's unacceptable to an extreme, obviously. Seeing as we have laws against it. I understand that zoophilia has been practiced for thousands of years. That doesn't make it socially acceptable, considered normal by the general public or the law, or legal.
Regardless of what caused zoophilia to be considered abnormal, it's unadvisable for a zoophile to speak up about zoophilia if they're trying to remain undercover.
That's all this thread is about. Avoiding being caught.
OK? It's not socially acceptable because it's special, so people have to stop acting like we have to be special to do it. Special is not normal. Start by being normal and nobody will get caught.
Why make a thread about being caught if we shouldn't be special enough to get caught? We stop making threads that tell people how to avoid getting caught, because only criminals have to worry about getting caught. We look special, we look criminal, we don't look normal.
We're not criminals so "be normal" about what you're doing.
You live in an fantasy world if you think it's that easy.
Delete the last 6 words of your post and you´ll be damn near the truth. ;)
I completely agree. I may as well be talking to a wall.
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30-30 is rather old and very experienced, if not a bit crazed at times.
And I'm not sure what being a virgin could possibly have to do with any of this, but I'm certainly not one.
Shepp's comment here reminded me about something one of my favorite comedians said. Clipped it for the curious.
That clip always gets a laugh out of me.
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Virgins like you don't know the truth. Go pop a cherry and come back when you're ready to handle the information without crying about it.
Uhm.. actually it is easy.
In a fantasy world nobody has sex or goes poop or pee. In the real adult world people have sex with animals and are mature enough to handle it. Even animals are more mature about adult actions like sex.
If people are not mature enough to handle the idea of other people having sex, then they are not adults and shouldn't have rights to make decisions for the adults. They should be in daycare under the supervision of real adults.
Like, go make fun of pee pee, poo poo and create a macaroni noodle picture of people on top of animals where other children will appreciate the immaturity.
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When will they be on board? When they grow up?
Logic is for machines, and I think you're programmed to avoid time outs from mommy and daddy by hiding the broccoli you didn't want to eat. Very avoidant personality.
There must be more real adults out of those 7 billion people, not just myself. A real independent adult refuses to eat broccoli and lets people know about it. They understand how to use the word No.
K. Goodnight sweetheart. Don't forget to have someone tuck you in.
Yes, that's a very nice thought. Unfortunately, the other 7 billion people aren't on board with that.
For the same reason I wait to see a car slow down before I step into a sidewalk, I keep quiet about being a zoophile. Because even if you're doing nothing wrong, other people always find a way to fuck up your life if you don't watch your back.
I can tell you're not thinking logically or realistically, so this will be my last response to you. I assure you.
Have a pleasant night or day.
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You first. Have fun in prison, ostracized from your friends and family.
We can all tell you have no job or responsibilites. You have nothing to lose by being openly zoosexual, but some of us do everything to lose.
zoophile: gets caught in the act knotted to a dog well you see this isn't some special thing and your reaction is simply a biproduct of our puritanical society.
Yes.
"Psh...Who hasn't had sex with their dog?? You?? Well you must be so so special"
Honestly though, everyone around here has had sex with an animal. That's a major aspect of growing up. It's an adult thing.
If you really have the impression that everyone around you has or had sex with an nonhuman animal, you´re either comsuming animal porn too much and obviously mistake your screen for reality from excessive animal porn consumption or you really should question your neigborhood...
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You do realize that you are dealing with adults here? Right? Acting childish doesn't help your case and certainly doesn't bring us down any.
I can't realize something that looks otherwise. For example, realize your post above...
OS2: "No you're the childish one!"
See that? I'm not trying to bring anybody down, I'm just showing the real adults how virginity doesn't and cannot understand the topic. Not only that but they admitted naivety multiple times over the course of other topics. If you don't know something then don't chastise somebody who does.
This is why I like animals. Animal virgins at least have the instinct for the information before the fact. Human virgins do not.
God damn do you scare me...
I refuse you believe you are a troll.
Because there's actual people that are just as dumb as you.
And who would spend that much time to troll?
Well, you're sad either way.
I hope somebody puts you out of your misery soon enough.
Looking at your post history gives me two images.
A 'trolly' teen giggling behind is computer, adjusting his broken glasses after every 5 letters and gets beaten by town bullies and uncle Frank.
Or some kind of man who's growling at people from his basement window and lives there as your family doesn't want you to interact with the outside world because they fear that people will put you in a mental hospital.
Don't cop-out on the troll excuse. If I was a troll, feeding me would make things worse for you and they do... However, not feeding me doesn't appear to be working that well either.
Confirmed. You cannot realize something that you require to be otherwise, and the state of being is not your decision when you cannot understand it.
You don't have the instinct, age, discipline or the proper experience.
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Response to the reply below...
"Everybody" is an overstatement that you wish was true. Fortunately for me there are only so many arrogant children and virgins here. Innocence and intelligence are two different concepts, you know? (Of course you don't know...)
Adults wouldn't use the troll excuse to avoid and ignore exposure to the information. My bringing attention to your state of mind is not the same as calling you a troll. Youre not a troll. You're just not very observant or understanding.
WarCanine: "No, you're using excuses!! No you are! No you are!"
Yes, actually it is all very clear and relevant. You're not mature enough to handle this information or mature enough to handle animals because your judgement is either impaired or underdeveloped. If you're not paying attention you'll get kicked in the head or make mistakes that are dangerous to the animals.
Maybe you should learn how to pay attention in school before you get hurt playing with adult animals, k?
No really, everybody thinks you're a troll.
But honestly, I'm going to keep feeding you because it's quite funny.
It's hilarious how 'I cop out on the troll excuse' yet you use age, instinct, proper experience ir discipline as an excuse.
All of which have nothing to do with this and are not relevant.
So I will r8 this b8 8/8 m8. 👍👌
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I just realized, Aluzky's account is active again.
He's not been replying to my older comments which is a thing he always did.
Heh, me and maybe that Alpha guy really gave him the one 'n two and Aluzky got sick of it.
^^^I ^^^think ^^^Aluzky=His ^^^real ^^^name+Husky. ^^^Mmmm...
It´s not only this little hint at Shepp being a duplicate accont of A. The incredibly incoherent way of "reasoning", the ineptness of connecting to people via words, the excessiveness of responding...maybe my gut feelings betray me sometimes, but I doubt it errs here. What is most remarkable is how Shepp´s "attitude" matches A´s deeds perfectly. Remember, A is a "zoo activist" relies on this moronic "just confront society" method...do you see the similarities now? And who else would attack especially us two with such fervor if he´s a newcomer and not connected to A at all?
By the way: I´ve been occasionally watching A´s account in the last few weeks, too. Have you noticed he calls himself an "exclusive zoosexual" since he was a kid, but in another post, he frankly confesses getting fucked by one of his "friends".....duh! ;) Maybe my English teacher taught me bad, but I always thought "exclusive" means "not at all, not in a million years"...;)
I remember both of us making a joke at some point about him being in jail and getting fucked by his inmates.
One of his replies to either yours or mine was something along the lines of this: "Well I am no homophobe, I wouldn't mind gay sex since I took my BF's knot."
Or something like that...
I wonder why I even am surprised...
He is a sexual deviant for sure. And sadly to say, he is a zoo and we know how much that a lot of zoos are... not well.
I reaaaally want to confront him about it. Not for the fun of it, but because I'm extremely curious.
"I´m no homophobe"....according to his own words , that would be rather illogical for the full blown gay he is. ;)
I´m not similarly curious about A as you , the major reason for that lack of curiosity , to be frank, is that I´ve met and talked to way too much guys of his ilk. There really is nothing that could surprise me anymore or something that sheds a different light on his personality and conduct. I´m way too familiar with those "zoos"...
Adults wouldn't use the troll excuse to avoid or ignore responsibility and exposure to the information.
My bringing attention to your state of mind is not the same as calling you a troll. Youre not a troll. You're just not very observant or understanding. That's the immaturity of attention deficit disorder...
WarCanine: "*No, you're using excuses!!"'
Yes, actually everything I said is very relevant. You're not mature enough to handle this information and not mature enough to handle animals. Your judgement is impaired. If you're not paying attention you'll get kicked in the head.
Adults wouldn't use the troll excuse to avoid and ignore exposure to the information.
My bringing attention to your state of mind is not the same as calling you a troll. Youre not a troll. You're just not very observant or understanding. Like attention deficit disorder...
WarCanine: "*No, you're using excuses!!"'
Yes, actually it is all very clear and relevant. You're not mature enough to handle this information or mature enough to handle animals because your judgement is impaired. If you're not paying attention you'll get kicked in the head or make mistakes that are dangerous to the animals.
Maybe you should learn how to pay attention in school before you get hurt, k?
OOooOOooh, double reply.
Mmmm, not sure if legitimately pissed of or really just a troll.
Do we really need to get Uncle Frank?
HEY FRANK! GET THE FUCKIN' BELT!
HE GOT ON OUR COMPUTER AGAIN, ARGUING ABOUT SHAGGIN' OUR 23 CATS R SOMETHIN'!
I had to stop my daily football show for THIS?
Oooh uncle's gonna give you an early Christmas present, and you know exactly why they call me Red-Ass Uncle Frank, boy!
Please read above
Uncle Frank's words circle around you...
GODDAMMIT SHEPP!! YOU'RE AN ADULT MAN!! IF YA WANNA SHAG ANY OF OUR CATS YA GOTTA GROW A PAIR FIRST!
Can we just get rid of this asshole? He contributes nothing.
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Nah, I'll ask the flying monkeys.
I see you're very fond of referencing the concept of parental punishment when speaking to adults, which is quite unusual. Is there a reason for that?
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I supported it with your childish behavior you kindly provided above, though... pretty compelling I might add.
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lolwut? Is this seriously some elaborate shitpost bot? I don't even know what that means. Daddy never stood up for me either... you are aware that both my parents drugged the shit out of me... and I still come across as more sane than you?
Food for thought.
That's how I talk. I'll be as fruity gay as I like, thank you very much. Deal with it.
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Hearing I'm retarded from you is frankly quite amusing, and kinda reassuring.
PS: I really don't want you to be rigid, or a robot. Or especially a rigid robot. Just sayin'
Well, R., after our hero unveiled that he "likes animals because of" being able to do with them as he pleases, unlike these insert random unfounded insult here and insert another random insult, things should be quite clear. This is a severe case of "evasive zoophilia"...because humans are "so complicated" and dare to have opinions differing to our hero´s, the fallback towards animals is taken. That´s why I don´t complain about the constant insulting. I´ve learned that letting these people talk freely rather than trying to censor them is the best way to carve out their main motivation...which in this case is yet another try to escape "complications"...or, as our hero puts it "Animals just do it". Add rejection of love as he displayed in several posts and add all the set figures plus all the variables....would you leave your animal alone with him? Case closed.
Honestly, I'm all for letting idiots like him fully excercise their freedom of speech. They expose themselves for what they are, no help needed.
So yeah, for once I completely agree with you.
Since you didn't get the hint last time, and have been pretty prolific in this thread, you're getting a double. That means every post that breaks rule 7 in this thread, by my discretion(which is pretty strict), made by you is going to disappear into the ether. The next time you get enforced against, you'll get a tempban and a repeat of what's happening in this thread now.
"you weren't disciplined properly as a child" is not an observation, by the by. Calling people flying monkeys is not flattery, and it most certainly is not respect. Further alluding to other people being 'children' in these juvenile personal attacks of yours is also not respectful.
Maybe you should have been paying attention when I was given deconstructive criticism for my posts earlier. It's not my fault that I had to salvage body parts from my attackers to put this Frankenstein together. You're not a very good moderator, very heavily biased an corrupt like a "child enabler." That's not a personal attack, that's constructive criticism. Pay attention, because attention deficits aren't helping here. You come off as being 100℅ fraudulant.
k. Long as you know the rules from here on out and know that poorly used loopholes don't apply.
Oh, and I'm more on your side than you think.
Honestly Sheppsoldier, he is. I can't think of a mod on earth I know who would be this patient with an individual behaving like this. This is constructive criticism, cool your jets a bit and everything will be ok.
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Rule 1, last sentence.
Sometimes not responding, and just listening, is better.
Oh, and rules are the backbone of society. Without them, cars would be crashing into eachother, people would be dead on the streets, and government would have no authority. Rules are there to prevent those things, and while anarchy can work, it cannot and has not worked here.
Is it the "best"?
In this case, yes.
*cough cough*
No, no, I really haven't. I'd say a pretty hefty chunk of the people here haven't or won't do it.
Then they are fraud. You do understand what fraud is, correct?
Or it's illegal in their jurisdiction and they aren't willing to break the law to get their rocks off, regardless of whether it's an unjust law or not.
Oh you're so right. Cowards. They rat on and doxx real zoophiles to save themselves, hide their own identities to make themselves look good to their animal welfare buddies.
Like... "Hi, I know what this person and that person does. I'm such a hero!"
They're disgusting, parasitic, "bestiality" discriminating frauds posing as zoophiles...Posers and people killers.
You can choose not to have sex with nonhuman animals on the basis of legality while still not ratting people out.
What do you mean by choose not to? When there's monsters out there killing and brutalizing people who choose to have sex with animals, I don't believe anybody chooses not to have sex with animals. They're threatened... However they do choose to rat people out to save themselves and their own animals.
I'm getting very tired of living under these anti-bestiality laws created by murderers and serial killer fake zoophiles just so they can kill and legally strangle whoever they disagree with at any given moment by using the legal system. There are too many dangerous non-sexual zoophiles who stigmatize against the act of sex, and I think they're worse than the anti-zoos because we can't tell the difference, when they're going to "change" and stab us in the back or when they're claiming to be good people. They're not innocent, they're volatile people killers who are too close with the equally psychopathic animal welfare people. Like jeckle-hyde. They'll be our friends one moment then turn into twisted monsters accusing us of animal abuse and sexual assaults and our lives will get flushed down the toilet.
We don't have a choice. Nobody ever gave us a choice because subconsciously even those freak zooohiles want us to fuck with humans and nothing else. They are not good people, they are not trustworthy.
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Would you jump off a bridge or sacrifice your children to the fiery devil god out of principal too?
Don't you people understand the two sides of boundaries? Sure you won't overstep one boundary for yourselves but you'll do backflips and barrel rolls over ever other... just to set up more boundaries and entrap everyone else.
You people don't have a real functioning conscience whatsoever. Not real zoo, just retarded and fraudulent.
You don't have to be threatened by the law to obey it. I'm not afraid of not stopping at a stop sign, I do it out of principal.
Would you jump off a bridge out of principal too?
That's what you call a false analogy. The implication would be that they're similar in nature, but the reality of the matter is that they're fundamentally different. But yeah, I would. Since you didn't add any stipulations to your statement, I'd be able to cross bungee jumping off my bucket list in the process.
First, do not do it with an animal that is not yours or on property that is not yours either, you know, Fence hoping. Outside that I would think just as you would with a human partner you don't go taking pictures to post for others to see or having sex in the middle of the town square in broad day light! Many who get caught are because of them having this need to rub their sexual life in everyone's faces. True having someone to joke about things and speak to in regards to your feelings toward your partners is nice but that is what we have the net for of course with keeping in mind to not give out to much info and even if you find someone in person who is like minded you do not talk about such things anywhere others may hear that would warrant suspicion of the locals.
Don't hold your lover's paw or hoof in public.