Alone when I ain't (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2017-03-15 04:28:34 by whoopiecat
Hello all. Testing the waters you could say. Been looking off and on for a comfortable group to be in that is about more than just the consummation of the act with your animal companion. Joined and minutes later quit more forums and pages and groups than I can remember. Too many use the subject as a badge it seems to believe themselves elite. Juvenile and sickening. Anyway, I hope to find some informative discussion and feel more at ease with the like minded. Thanks for having me.
Welcome aboard. This is far from being a perfect community either, but I hope you find us to your liking. Pardon the intrusion, but your post history is a rather... interesting contrast to your less amorous desire to be here. Of course, you're not alone in that regard here, either.
oh... yikes. par for the course, i guess.
Hello and welcome. I have found this community lively and informative. As /u/amorebestia has said, we have our drama, but what collection of animals doesn't ^.^ one thing I appreciate is the variety of people here, and how we are here for (usually) similar reasons. Keep informed and honest. I find that helpful :3
If you wanted to join a community that is not completely insane, you have just reached one of the last remaining keeps.
Well I sure don't want to catch any sanity from anyone. You can't wash it off with soap or beat it back with a stick.
May I ask you to further expand on your motivation to join this subreddit? Judging by your post history, I am not entirely sure if your perspective on zoophilia complies with the moral and ethical standards that most of us on this forum adhere to. To cite one of your posts, your "interest are many. From vanilla missionary to drugs and beasts. Incest. Tranny play. Bi. Aboyt anything but scat and necro." To be honest, reading this makes me cringe and in fact, this statement of yours contradicts your assertion that you are in search of an online community which "is about more than just the consummation of the act with your animal companion. Indeed, I am not the one who would judge a person by a few lines of text on an Internet forum. Thus, I'd like to ask you to clarify the situation and provide us with some additional information about you, your sexuality and your experience with animals. While my first impression of you hints at a normal heterosexual with a strange affection for extreme forms of sexuality, I am still willing to change my mind based on your reply to my comment. Nevertheless, I'd like you to bear in mind that using the derogatory term "beasts" in combination with "drugs" and "incest" is not the most intelligent way of gaining the trust of a community of animal lovers.
Hate the sin, not the sinner.
If I can't trust someone to treat a trans woman with respect, why would I trust them to treat an animal with respect?
Honestly, I take anything posted in a NSFW/porn sub with a grain of salt, especially when getting a feel for someone. Lots of people are vastly different in places like these than they are there.
That phrase only applies when there is: 1) hate, and 2) a sinner. Not when trying to clarify whether this post vs. the numerous other posts that imply the exact opposite set of interests is the accurate motive.
Rationalizing the other posts with "that's typical in an NSFW sub" (which is a weak argument in the first place) supports this further, by saying nobody cares about truth as long as one adapts to what each group wants to hear.
The first utterance of it was by Saint Augustine, and can be translated to "With love for mankind and hatred of sins". This is generally what people mean when they say it, but hate the sin love the sinner rolls off the tongue better(and depending on the denomination, original sin might mean you're born a sinner). There is no need for there to be a sinner per se, just the actions. In this case, there is an implied sin... deception.
I speak differently here than I do in, say, a gaming community. Radically differently, in fact. It's not an issue of 'nobody caring about truth', it's just that things have different meanings and impacts in different places. You can talk shit to a friend in a video game, taunt them, etc, and that's fine, it's healthy banter. Do it during a business meeting, and that's a problem. I wouldn't do it here, either. Judging me by how I talk in a video game isn't a fair assessment when considering whether you should hire me for a job, because it's an entirely different climate and I approach the workplace differently, the same way OP would approach this community and a community predicated on sex differently.
If I crack a joke about how historical landscape painters got so bored that they started painting random hills and valleys in a casual conversation with a friend, that doesn't mean I believe the same in an academic sense. I respect the skill, time, and immense thought that went into historical paintings, but in the right setting, yeah, I'll roast them too.
We don't have much to go off of except NSFW banter. It's a different place, with a different way of speaking. I'm just saying that we should wait and see before going vigilante on him.
EDIT: Erving Goffman identified this idea in his book if you're interested.
You explained your opinion on qualifier #2 but missed the more relevant qualifier #1 - there isn't any "hate" or vigilantism, only requests for clarification, which so far remain unanswered.
This is a sexually-related community with almost no NSFW banter. The two do not need to coexist. And even if "everyone else is doing it" was a valid justification for posting something of a certain tone in a given community, one could be logically led to wonder why someone frequents communities where such discussions are the norm. Often it's because such discussions resonate with the participants' interests or personalities.
If they are typically seeking places that focus on extreme sexual practices, kinks, objectification, etc., it is reasonable to clarify their interest in a community that has very little of that, but is frequently confused with some of those areas, don't you agree?
We both know how those clarifications end here.
Sexual interests are rather dubious because they don't really say much about the person. A shy med student could be into BDSM and I dunno, ero guro or something, and you wouldn't know. It's because they're able to compartmentalize.
"Been looking off and on for a comfortable group to be in that is about more than just the consummation of the act with your animal companion." "Anyway, I hope to find some informative discussion"
At any rate, the initial response was there as a PSA, not directed at any one person. You and I both know who our more outspoken members would have been on this matter, and they probably would have taken it too far, but not far enough for us to put our feet down.
I feel like we're reaching bedrock here. Nobody, including our vocal members, has suggested anything hateful. The only concerns I've seen have to do with motive, respect, and authenticity, not "sexual interests" - and these are all relevant concerns. Fine if it's a PSA.
Anyway, it seems like everyone except you and me has lost interest in the topic, including the OP at least so far.
Could be that the PSA worked. :P
Sounds good, but no cigar.
Honestly, I do not feel hatred towards u/whoopiecat. I was simply curious to learn more about this person's motivation to join this subreddit and his approach towards zoophilia. Though, the fact that he has not replied to any of our comments so far proves that my judgement about him based on his post history is quite accurate.
To be fair, lots of the posts on this sub(comparatively) are made by those that post once, then leave.
That, and we miiight have scared him off, lol.
What moral and ethical standards would you suggest I adhere to? We all live out phases and dads and habits. I've never harmed an animal in my life unless it was legal hunting or trying to get a bite unlocked from me. I use "beasts" to cover everything. Whether it crawls, creeps, swims, walks or flies. It's a blanket term and I don't consider it derogatory. My drug use, or non-use, has zero bearing on my reasons for being here. I've used and abused about every drug known since 1975 And came out the clean end little worse for wear. All while excelling through school and the career I'm retired from now. My ties to zoophilia are as a facilitator. Have always owned, raised and bred everything from chickens and rabbit to emus, thoroughbreds and rodeo bulls. Through the years it has attracted several open minded ladies to approach me about "assisting" with indulging their curiosities and some their passions. The ethical and moral values required to move, build and operate a 24,000 ton crane were also practiced in tending to my menagerie. We haven't traded 2 words and you've done a Dick Tracy on me and passed judgement. I'm of the thought that a closed mind should come with a closed mouth and practice compassion in everything.
"...use it as a badge to believe themselves elite. Juvenile and sickening"
Am I the only one that is reminded of some other guy´s narrative?
/u/the_egoldstein is back on with his own account, if that's who you mean.
No, I was referring to our "virgins and elitists abuse zoophilia" angelos retardi.
I really doubt that OP is him.
You can bring up a master theory but I won't believe it.
There's just a lot of sexual deviants and they all act similarly.
I only said it reminds me of him, not that it´s actually him. But still a very strange coincidence, roughly one week after the (temporary?) departure of him another one jumps in with nearly the exact theses of "elitists and virgins use zoophilia as a badge to feel superior ´n shit" as his introduction...TBH, you don´t come across many people with a similar or at least comparable attitude, even in our own worldwide "animal fucker" community...
A) What other account would I use? If you think I've been creeping around with some other account, please do give details; this could get entertaining very quickly.
B) "back" is only semi-accurate; provided friends do not point me back here for comments/lulz (such as my most recent one) or I get notifications, no fucks are given.
I don't.
At any rate, it's nice to have you back, even if it's in short bursts.