Do NOT tell your therapist about your sex life! (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2017-03-29 03:41:09 by UntamedAnomaly
Luckily, my therapist knows I am a zoo and before I even said much of anything else after I first told her, she asked if I wanted her to check on the policy regarding things like that to make sure I don't say anything I might regret. I told her, yes. Apparently, she is required to report any sexual activity with animals. I can mention that I am attracted to animals, and talk about it...but I can't say anything about my personal sex life regarding animals. I'm not sure if this applies to all states where it is illegal, but in Oregon, it does.
Hmm, this might be counterproductive to people who really want help. Then again, America's justice system is more about punishment than rehabilitation.
http://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug03/rehab.aspx
At least in most European countries, there is something we refer to as "Verschwiegenheitspflicht" in German, the direct translation of which would be obligation to confidentiality, which prevents medical doctors, psychotherapists or lawyers from handing out private information about their patients or clients and most certainly extends to cases of sex with animals. Could it be that bestiality is considered as such a major crime in Oregon that merely talking about it justifies violating your right to data privacy or is there a different explanation for the situation you refer to?
Don't be so sure. I have a friend who lives in the - still european - UK. He told his therapist and received a letter by local police later telling him not to repeat any such acts.
For Germany: Also, you need to not only read the laws. The commentary how to interpret them is important, too, because it furthers the text a lot. And judges are like peers of the people who write the commentary, if they don't write it themselves. Judging is after all the interpretation of written law given cases that do not immediately and obviously fit the written texts.
After saying that: There are certain deeds where the therapist would HAVE to report, as for example when the patient tells them to they are going to burn something down tomorrow for sure.
One of the examples listed I found in commentary with a google search immediately is ongoing abuse of children.
Now all you need is an 'uninformed' therapist who thinks child==animal, and who reports you therefore as he thinks this is pretty much the same.
Even if that is wrong, the information is then out there, and e.g. police can act upon it in disregard, that the "source" is "incorrect" in reporting it.
And even if you get all that cleared up afterwards with counter-suing at the courts and so on - until then your life might have imploded three times over already.
There was a debate about professional secrecy regarding a psycho who intended to kill somebody and confessed it to his therapist. I think that it is established in many countries that professional secrecy MUST be broken if it is necesary to do so in order to protect third parties from harm.
They can also break it if there's explicit evidence that they intend to cause harm to themselves, in most cases.
"Professional secrecy", that's the term I have been looking for, thanks.
The new law in Oregon makes sex with animals a felony AND criminalizes free speech associated with sex with animals.
Yes, but in Sweden, the professional silence doesn't cover criminality, if the crime that has been committed or the patient plans to commit, is one where they can get jail for two years. In fact, therapists must report such crimes. The point is that if someone plans a violent crime, the safety of the general public is prioritized before patient confidentiality.
According to the law text, bestiality can give up to two years of jail (although that has never happened so far). So, after bestiality was banned in Sweden, I haven't told any therapist about me being a zoophile. Although fantasies are not illegal, I'm worried that it could be interpreted as "planning a crime", since I would like to have a canine partner some time in the future.
Depends on the place, I think.
Some are not allowed to talk about such things.
There really is no reason to talk about it with your therapist anyways.
Not even just zoophilia itself. People are uneducated about it and if any zoo ever wants help then they should talk with people who are more experienced, such as other zoos.
I've had therapists tell me that they were required to report abuse, and follow that up by asking very specific questions about whether or not I had engaged in any sexual activity with animals.
I think talking to a therapist can probably be helpful, but I agree that it's safest to go with the story that you've never actually engaged in a sex act with an animals regardless of whether or not that's the case.
Most therapists I've seen have been pretty open to it, they didn't ask any specific questions regarding my sex life. I just mainly talk about my feelings of anxiety around other humans regarding my feelings for animals. I've even had one therapist tell me they've even had sex with animals, she breaks the rules a lot though lol. Then again, I'm on the west coast, people seem to be especially open-minded out this way compared to the people I've met in all of the mid-western and southern living I've done.
Personally I see no reason to talk about your love life with a therapist, especially one which is frowned upon by modern societies standards. I see my love for my horses as normal so why would I question my feelings let alone need some sort of approval by another human regardless of how educated they might supposedly be?
Besides, my therapist told me only a few more visits and I'll be allowed back out in public again!
I don't question my feelings, but I do have anxiety/PTSD surrounding other humans and how they react to me, especially when it comes to being zoo. Some people can keep quiet, and be fine with it. I personally hate keeping quiet. I think I shouldn't HAVE TO keep quiet, and I certainly hate being inauthentic to the people close to me. Honesty, authenticity and openness are traits that I value most within myself, as well as other people. For me to have to hide, is to conform. To conform is to be inauthentic to those around you. Sure, it's the smarter option and the only reason I do keep quiet about me being zoo, but pure honesty and integrity has served me better than conformity ever has, even if it results in the ending of my existence - at least my existence would end with satisfaction and not resentment. That's just me personally though, YMMV.
Well believe my I fully understand that need and desire to not have to watch your tongue and hide who you are. But sadly in this world with so much prejudice and hate your left with few options outside places like here where you can speak out your feelings. One reason I have very very few friends in life, 5 I know in person, is because to me I can only consider someone a friend who truly knows and understands the love I have for my horses. Sadly though I only see them on rare occasions so I'm left often alone in my thoughts. Yes I have "normal" people I talk more frequently but to me they are nothing more than acquaintances since I can not speak openly around them without risk of ridicule, or worse, bringing harm to my herd. So to me talking to a therapist that is not a Zoophile as well is like talking to any other "normal" acquaintance.
It's quite pathetic if you come to think of it. You go to a therapist, because you do not know how to handle it in your life. Instead of helping, lets get it reported... because that helps n all yo.
Probably some folk think that by getting them arrested would help the person. Which would make them unfit as psychiatrist to begin with.
They aren't trying to help anybody by getting them arrested. Just like the Anti-Zoos and animal welfare people aren't actually trying to help the animals... They don't think, they work for the highest bidder.
Never fall in love with a prostitute... never make friends with your therapist. They aren't doing it for the good of their heart
depends on the person really, there are a number of psychiatrists who understand that reporting wont help anyone. And a number of them certainly want to help and love to do so. No need to generalize for the bad outdated practice of a few
Agreed to the extent that some locations are still heavily influenced by outdated practices. I wouldn't I even call the practice outdated since they've been modernized. Considering the deteriorating legality of sex with aninals, i would treat every psychiatric practitioner and their "help" as a potential danger or conversion utility. For instance, some doctors or therapists idea of helping means putting people on drugs or using tactics that will suppress or divert the patients sex drive to other places. This is usually the case in "diversion programs", not much different in it's methods from religious conversion. Religious Conversion: Inducing guilt, threats, and fear while providing the "alternative" to escape from these persecutions and worse. The alternative is prayer and service to a higher authority.
If an authority or organization (religious or otherwise) wanted to change the sexuality of a zoophile or anyone, they would most likely manipulate them by using drugs to influence the conversion. No doctors or psychiatric professionals required. Drug use makes people easier to manipulate and change, since drug use lowers inhibitions for the duration of use while amplifying paranoias and superstitious tendencies after use.
"Converting straights to LGBT or zoo...Converting LGBT to straight or zoo...Converting Zoo to LGBT or straight. Converting sexual attraction to chemical attraction...Converting chemical attraction to spiritual attraction. Converting zoophiles into pedophiles, or converting pedophiles into zoophiles. Converting animals into children or children into animals."
Example: Claiming "Animals are like children" is a Diversion Tactic of blinding the obvious contrast between animals and children, for the purpose of diverting pedophiles into an attraction for animals, or a zoophile into an attraction for children, or "greying out" contrast between the two. Not only that, but this blinds the general public of the differences between animals and children for the purpose of "switching" their roles in society. Human children would be regarded as animals and animals would be regarded as children.
Why would anyone want to view human children as animals and vise versa? Think about it.
I have more examples but I'll save that for later. What I'm trying to say is that most therapists are not good, especially if theyre working for the good of society when most of society has been unknowingly diverted before any problem was ever recognized. The problem might have been corrected previously, the solution is now regarded as a problem and would be diverted by shady therapy practices into the actual problem.
This has not been my experience, but I also questioned my therapist intently, and read the laws and the codes for them in my locale. I've assisted a lot of other zoos who are dealing with depression and other things in figuring out those rules in their locale. My advice, ask outright. Otherwise, most countries do have a lot of protection for patients and good therapists (and doctors) will not even write everything down as far as controversial topics go; on the off chance they do get caught up in the law.
The other side of this coin is that someone with just a Master's degree, with the word counsellor in their title, paid even in part by someone else might have rules you cannot know about. Look for long years of a clinical practice and at least a PhD. While not full proof it is likely these folks truly want to help you if you come to them for help.
I don't trust professional secrecy. No matter if a therapist is honestly going to keep the secret or not, the moment you give a piece of information away, that information is roaming in the wild and can be used against you.
Files that contain information that is considered to be a professional secret (such as health files) can be stolen or lost, and are actually stolen or lost in some cases.
That is a good point.
Yup. Professional means paid, and they're only loyal to the highest paying customer. Better off having real friends to speak to. Therapists are nothing more than "speech prostitutes."
Therapists are of no use to me, which is why I won't tell them anything. What can they do anyway? I'm also trying to stay out of the psych ward as much as possible.
Perhaps they aren't of any use to you, but it's not any fault of their own, I fear. Therapists need two things from their clients, above all else. Openness, and a willingness to accept and use help and input from them. Far too often, people lack one or both in the presence of a therapist, or refuse to acknowledge something is wrong, even. A good therapist with a good client will be able to identify the cause of depression, help cure a lack of motivation, and more. Only in the most extreme of cases are clients referred to a psychiatric facility.
In my experience, all they seemed to care about was money. They charged me for every little thing, which wouldn't have been an issue, had they been actually decent. Where are the good ones at? They must be hard to find.
Sounds like you probably lost on the draw with where you live. Some places are better than others. I've the good fortune of living in a rather tight knit community, myself. I wasn't always, but even then, most of my life has been spent in good places. The kind of communities that'll knock on your door with a meal, because that's the way of things. Well, not just that, but because there's a certain satisfaction to be had with those exchanges. It's much more common in older, more established communities, but it can happen anywhere if you put yourself out there(and know how and to whom since some aren't so so social).
I've heard so many positive stories about the mental health system. It's like most people get to experience the good parts of it, and I only get to see the bad. When has everything turned into a shitfest? I could have legitimate mental disorders, but I'd never even know it because of the incompetence and carelessness that many in the profession have displayed. They all want to continue to pin my issues on "depression," but it has to be more complicated than that. The blame can't be centered around only one diagnosis.
Well, depression is the symptom of underlying problems, true, but I think it's fair to say that it's the best place to start, if I'm being honest. Therapists rely quite a bit on body language as well, which can also be altered by depression. It's also one of the reasons why you don't really see online counselling catching on. Depression makes it more difficult to identify and isolate other mental conditions due to the rippling effects it has on your brain and mind, so ameliorating that first, even temporarily, would help them get to the core of the issue faster. Depression is also an important first step because the aforementioned rippling effects can cause permanent changes ('damage') in your brain, which may make remission impossible in time. A therapist will want to focus on a single issue at a time, too, because identifying 12 disorders at once can overwhelm the patient, as well as be muddied by interactions between disorders, as they all affect eachother as well as you. Well, that, and medicating/treating multiple disorders in tandem is nigh impossible.
I literally cannot stand therapists, psychiatrists and other doctors, so it doesn't matter anyway. They took my trust and broke it one too many times.
It's pretty obvious that one doesn't actually reveal to a therapist that they are currently in a sexual relationship with a non human; no need to go that far.
I would like to write as someone who is in training to be a counselor. First off, at least in the US, therapists and psychologists are only required to report abuse of children and the elderly, and when the client is in immediate danger to themselves or others (like if someone says they're going to kill their ex wife or something like that) Revealing anything else to anyone else without a court order forcing you to is grounds for a Big black mark on their record at best, losing their license and never practicing again at worst. If what you say really is the case in Oregon, then I guess the laws are different where I am, but then again, Texas has no laws explicitly against zoophilia.
Look, bottom line is that there are plenty of doctors, psychologists, counselors, therapists who take their obligation to professional secrecy very seriously. I really wish I could say all of them did, and I am truly sorry for anyone who has experienced otherwise, and those therapists should have their licenses stripped from them.
For what it's worth, any zoophile coming into my practice (when I get one, anyway) can trust that I would do everything in my power to take that secret to my death. But yes, you should definitely ask your counselor about specifically what they are obligated to report to the authorities before you say anything, as the laws do vary from place to place. There is no penalty for asking, and wording it as a hypothetical is the safest way to go about it.
i told my wife that i was a zoo and she left me