thelongestusernameeelurklurklurk all day long, lurklurklurk while i sing this song 12 points on 2017-04-21 22:43:22
Petition to make online petitions actually do something more than 2% of the time
inlovewithdoggybreeding bitch 3 points on 2017-04-21 22:49:52
Online petitions barely ever work. They definitely will not work for something like this.
If you want things to be done you need to stop sitting behind your PC screen and actually organize something in real life.
Skgrsgpf 5 points on 2017-04-21 23:04:53
If zoos organized in real life, it would essentially be "outing" them (de-anonymizing them), and it would probably make them a target for anti-zoos and prosecution.
But if zoos continue to hide, nothing with be accomplished, and the anti-zoos will keep getting their way.
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 2 points on 2017-04-21 22:52:15
It's a nice gesture, but yeah, online petitions don't mean all too much.
Darkspirit5 2 points on 2017-04-22 00:40:59
How com muslim can marry and do a sex to a 9 yere old but I caint put my dick in no horse.
Exactly. This shit isn't fair at all.
OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 2 points on 2017-04-22 00:46:39
We petitioning the middle-east, now?
Darkspirit5 1 point on 2017-04-22 02:34:16
I'd like to move to the Middle East, marry a horse, then get bombed the next day. Beats this pathetic life.
OS2OslovDeer Zoo (non-active) 1 point on 2017-04-22 04:43:13
I hope the horse escapes the bomb.
wright-oneursidae canidae pantherinae 12 points on 2017-04-22 01:36:19
petition to collect IP addresses of people who think legalizing sex with animals is a good idea......
Skgrsgpf 1 point on 2017-04-30 22:42:45
If they use Tor or a VPN it will be a non-identifiable IP Address.
duskwuff 1 point on 2017-04-22 02:04:13
That's not even an accurate description of what that petition is about.
silverwolf-tippysmat 2 points on 2017-04-22 11:30:47
I don't really want to see it legalized. Right now, the laws catch and punish many more rapists and abusers than genuine zoophiles, and that suits me fine. I've yet to see a proposal for legalization that includes any way of distinguishing between the two adequately to protect animals. I've also yet to see where 'legalization' will hold ANY realistic benefit for zoophiles.
It's our responsibility to protect our selves and our animals, not the law or the governments, IMO.
Skgrsgpf 4 points on 2017-04-22 22:49:45
Laws which deal with animal cruelty (regardless of whether there was sexual contact or not) already exist in many places, and those laws would be used against bad people. Making a law to ban sex with animals (even with no evidence of cruelty) is wrong.
There would be many benefits to legalization: for example, less stigma, being honest with veterinarians, etc.
As Yearningmice said, laws that ban sex with animals are not about helping animals.
silverwolf-tippysmat 2 points on 2017-04-22 23:26:37
Well, that's your opinion, I've stated mine. We'll agree to disagree as nothing you've said has changed my opinion. Honestly, I've heard it all before.
TokenHorseGuy 4 points on 2017-04-23 18:17:44
Skgrsgpf has an argument which seems heavier on objective statements, and also can answer challenges. I'm not saying this argument must therefore convince you; people still "agree to disagree" about whether the Bible's historic timeline is accurate, despite objective evidence pointing in another direction. But this is different from agreeing to disagree about how Florida is nicer than California, for example, where the arguments are on roughly the same footing.
I'm curious, if "it's our responsibility to protect our selves and our animals, not the law or the governments," then why are you supporting the government's creation of new, redundant laws, under the guise of protecting animals?
YearningmiceZoophile 2 points on 2017-04-22 17:24:02
On-line petitions are about the same worth an online comment is.
I'd just like to point out that bestiality laws are NEVER, EVER about helping animals. If you cannot charge someone who is cruel with cruelty then fix your damn cruelty laws and make them apply universally. The rape of horses, cows, pigs and dogs is often, especially in the new laws, explicitly allowed if you can make money off of it through breeding, milk, or meat.
All that the bestiality laws accomplish is let zoos get conversion therapy, commit suicide, unfairly question themselves(questions are good but we focus on the wrong questions), be unable to speak openly, be blackmailed, and the list goes on.
If you've been lucky enough that the strict security measures you've practised have allowed you to avoid the law, great, you're still a criminal. If, though a mistake or bad luck, you've been caught the punishment does not fit the crime.
Skgrsgpf 1 point on 2017-04-22 22:54:53
Agreed; people have a somewhat complacent idea that "what happens in the barn, stays in the barn" is "good enough", but often it is not. As you said, these new laws are not about animal cruelty -- they are about forcing a type of "morality" on people. And as you said, it is wrong that sex with animals is banned while things that are worse, such as breeding/meat/etc, are allowed. Banning one and not the other is arbitrary.
Edog91 2 points on 2017-04-22 18:31:45
It requires personal info to sign, I don't advise it.
Hey, not my business or even forte but shouldn't you guys like contact Whitney Wisconsin and have her advertise the petition since she's the only semi-popular zoo person I have heard of?
Also, I found this sub from looking up wtf she was doing was technically called and then searched Reddit out of boredom. Regardless figured I'd say my two cents and leave.
/r/zoophilia archive
Petition to make online petitions actually do something more than 2% of the time
Online petitions barely ever work. They definitely will not work for something like this.
If you want things to be done you need to stop sitting behind your PC screen and actually organize something in real life.
If zoos organized in real life, it would essentially be "outing" them (de-anonymizing them), and it would probably make them a target for anti-zoos and prosecution.
But if zoos continue to hide, nothing with be accomplished, and the anti-zoos will keep getting their way.
It's a nice gesture, but yeah, online petitions don't mean all too much.
Exactly. This shit isn't fair at all.
We petitioning the middle-east, now?
I'd like to move to the Middle East, marry a horse, then get bombed the next day. Beats this pathetic life.
I hope the horse escapes the bomb.
petition to collect IP addresses of people who think legalizing sex with animals is a good idea......
If they use Tor or a VPN it will be a non-identifiable IP Address.
That's not even an accurate description of what that petition is about.
I don't really want to see it legalized. Right now, the laws catch and punish many more rapists and abusers than genuine zoophiles, and that suits me fine. I've yet to see a proposal for legalization that includes any way of distinguishing between the two adequately to protect animals. I've also yet to see where 'legalization' will hold ANY realistic benefit for zoophiles.
It's our responsibility to protect our selves and our animals, not the law or the governments, IMO.
Laws which deal with animal cruelty (regardless of whether there was sexual contact or not) already exist in many places, and those laws would be used against bad people. Making a law to ban sex with animals (even with no evidence of cruelty) is wrong.
There would be many benefits to legalization: for example, less stigma, being honest with veterinarians, etc.
As Yearningmice said, laws that ban sex with animals are not about helping animals.
Well, that's your opinion, I've stated mine. We'll agree to disagree as nothing you've said has changed my opinion. Honestly, I've heard it all before.
Skgrsgpf has an argument which seems heavier on objective statements, and also can answer challenges. I'm not saying this argument must therefore convince you; people still "agree to disagree" about whether the Bible's historic timeline is accurate, despite objective evidence pointing in another direction. But this is different from agreeing to disagree about how Florida is nicer than California, for example, where the arguments are on roughly the same footing.
I'm curious, if "it's our responsibility to protect our selves and our animals, not the law or the governments," then why are you supporting the government's creation of new, redundant laws, under the guise of protecting animals?
On-line petitions are about the same worth an online comment is.
I'd just like to point out that bestiality laws are NEVER, EVER about helping animals. If you cannot charge someone who is cruel with cruelty then fix your damn cruelty laws and make them apply universally. The rape of horses, cows, pigs and dogs is often, especially in the new laws, explicitly allowed if you can make money off of it through breeding, milk, or meat.
All that the bestiality laws accomplish is let zoos get conversion therapy, commit suicide, unfairly question themselves(questions are good but we focus on the wrong questions), be unable to speak openly, be blackmailed, and the list goes on.
If you've been lucky enough that the strict security measures you've practised have allowed you to avoid the law, great, you're still a criminal. If, though a mistake or bad luck, you've been caught the punishment does not fit the crime.
Agreed; people have a somewhat complacent idea that "what happens in the barn, stays in the barn" is "good enough", but often it is not. As you said, these new laws are not about animal cruelty -- they are about forcing a type of "morality" on people. And as you said, it is wrong that sex with animals is banned while things that are worse, such as breeding/meat/etc, are allowed. Banning one and not the other is arbitrary.
It requires personal info to sign, I don't advise it.
/u/Zoo_ofreddit /u/thelongestusernameee /u/wright-one /u/inlovewithdoggy
Hey, not my business or even forte but shouldn't you guys like contact Whitney Wisconsin and have her advertise the petition since she's the only semi-popular zoo person I have heard of? Also, I found this sub from looking up wtf she was doing was technically called and then searched Reddit out of boredom. Regardless figured I'd say my two cents and leave.