AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-05-04 01:36:50
I think it's understood (here at least) that most if not all mammals can experience it, not to detract from the merit of the study. That said, the identificattion of specific OLRs in rodents is a step in the right direction.
SunTzuSaidThat 5 points on 2017-05-04 04:04:12
This is some really neat review work from not so long ago (Oct 2016). Thanks Canada!
I think that the notions in this are easily extrapolatable to other mammals, and a lot of this confirms what we already know.
I think an interesting takeaway from this is the importance of treating a non-human partner in a way they are built to enjoy; that is, understanding the physiological, biological, and behavioral differences between humanity and other species, and putting that understanding into practice when interacting with them (especially on a sexual level).
Also, this is a good example of the mainstream scientific community starting to catch up to the casual knowledge of our own.
30-30amator equae 2 points on 2017-05-05 12:34:43
"I think an interesting takeaway from this is the importance of treating a non-human partner in a way they are built to enjoy; that is, understanding the physiological, biological and behavioural differences between humanity and other species, and putting that understanding into practice when interacting with them (especially on a sexual level)."
Quoted this for an extra emphasis on its importance. Sadly, only a very tiny fraction of "zoos" is taking this valuable advice serious.
Just take a look into the perpetuated "mares show their orgasm when they pee" myth...such bullshit sadly shows how much of an expert anyone of these random "horse zoos" you can meet online really is. This whole myth has its origins in human so called "female ejaculation" and points out pretty perfectly what is wrong with the majority of "zoophiles" these days. Or, as I like to put it: In order to love a horse, you have to become a horse.
"Artfremd" (inappropriate for the species) is the keyword in Germany´s law against interspecies sexuality; I really wonder whether you´d walk out of a German courtroom free if you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you perfectly "mimicked" a particular species´partner...but I´m not gonna be the plonker trying to prove it. ;)
Anyways, I´m still puzzled by the vast numbers of "zoos" who prefer having sex with an animal "the human way", who are not adapting their preferred species´ mating rituals and habits. Never seen another horse zoo who´s patient enough to do the entire "proposal rituals" that are involved in equine mating, like chasing, sniffing, etc. I´ve never met another mare lover who also is biting his mare´s back during intercourse (gently, of course...but still firm enough for her to recognise ...and enjoy). I´m aware of the fact that porn isn´t exactly a representative source for zoophile behaviour, but I still wonder why literally ALL the "mare lover " guys look like total douchebags, standing behind a mare, humping away at her without even touching her hips,flanks, back etc.....and how rare it is you see a "loved" mare actually showing bona fide mating position BEFORE the immissio.
Even more horrifying: the common blindness for their rather obvious anthropocentric approach in most, if not all "zoos".
Doing it "human style" (with all the typical perversions of homo sapiens sapiens) versus genuine mating behaviour that´s approapriate for the species is similarly different like simply driving /"using" a car versus knowing how an engine works. It doesn´t take much to mush your genitalia with those of an animal...but it takes an awful lot to do it "correctly".
Maybe my participation in this sub isn´t as futile as I am thinking sometimes...thanks for pointing out this important detail to everyone. If the only thing somebody really "knows" about his/her animal/preferred species is how to use its genitalia, he/she´s got a loooong way to go.
WolfLoliCanine 1 point on 2017-05-05 15:02:44
I liked reading your comment. It makes sense. I would love to know how to be as dog like as possible for my partner at times. I can play like a dog, and know the mannerisms and behaviors, but to actually be as dog-like as possible while with my partner would be an ultimate goal of mine when we are alone. I just cannot smell or have those chemicals that dogs have to be fully submerged into doggy social likeness and language. Also I don't have the tail and ears to send those dog-like signals I so wish I could, to tell him lets play without having to take the toy from him and play chase. So I understand your comment. Id say give it time and patience for people to start being more loving and understanding of the animal language of their particular animal lover.
SunTzuSaidThat 1 point on 2017-05-07 07:25:24
I´m still puzzled by the vast numbers of "zoos" who prefer having sex with an animal "the human way", who are not adapting their preferred species´ mating rituals and habits.
Me too. Doing the right mating behaviors is really stimulating, in my honest opinion; I don't know why people would choose not to go through the motions (or at least try). In general I think it's our duty to adapt to other species' procedures and likes, rather than expect the opposite.
Just take a look into the perpetuated "mares show their orgasm when they pee" myth...such bullshit sadly shows how much of an expert anyone of these random "horse zoos" you can meet online really is.
And yet, what's funny is that it's not too hard to find some evidence of mares having actual "orgasm-like responses", to borrow a term from the paper. Pelvic floor/anal contraction and associated vocalization can be seen, if not super commonly. You (30-30) could tell me better if when that happens to the partners you've had, the second (short term awareness of hedonia/reward) and third (long term behavioral changes due to orgasm, as a response to the reward state) conditions are also satisfied, but I bet they are. Such things are harder to find evidence of.
It's odd that people would get fixated on some urination effect...but I can understand why. The squatting and fluid emission is a pre-coitus "flirtatious" behavior in mares, so maybe they think that more fluid emission means "arousal" and thus confuse that state with orgasm, since they don't really know what to look for. It's like what people think winking is, and the confusion surrounding that.
I'd pin that confusion on a lack of (firstly and foremost) education and (secondly) experience more than anything.
Maybe my participation in this sub isn´t as futile as I am thinking sometimes...thanks for pointing out this important detail to everyone. If the only thing somebody really "knows" about his/her animal/preferred species is how to use its genitalia, he/she´s got a loooong way to go.
Absolutely, and you're welcome...I think it was really too significant to not note. And your participation here is definitely not futile.
WolfLoliCanine 1 point on 2017-05-04 20:56:59
odd.. I thought that people knew that other mammals experienced orgasms too? But I am glad science is making this a fact and letting those who maybe never thought about it open to that idea.
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 2 points on 2017-05-05 01:16:50
Studies like these are kind of important despite what I said in my top level comment. We have things that we consider to be knowns, but proving their existence empirically(aka through science) creates a groundwork for further study since, presumably, it means that they have identifiers or known variables to work with now. Some of the most important studies are, interestingly, the studies that people say "well, duh." to. :)
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 1 point on 2017-05-07 04:37:49
Aside from just getting more information to study further, there's quite a bit of so-called "common sense" that everyone knows that turns out to not be correct. It's important to get data to confirm that what we think we know is actually happening and isn't actually caused by something else.
/r/zoophilia archive
I think it's understood (here at least) that most if not all mammals can experience it, not to detract from the merit of the study. That said, the identificattion of specific OLRs in rodents is a step in the right direction.
This is some really neat review work from not so long ago (Oct 2016). Thanks Canada!
I think that the notions in this are easily extrapolatable to other mammals, and a lot of this confirms what we already know.
I think an interesting takeaway from this is the importance of treating a non-human partner in a way they are built to enjoy; that is, understanding the physiological, biological, and behavioral differences between humanity and other species, and putting that understanding into practice when interacting with them (especially on a sexual level).
Also, this is a good example of the mainstream scientific community starting to catch up to the casual knowledge of our own.
"I think an interesting takeaway from this is the importance of treating a non-human partner in a way they are built to enjoy; that is, understanding the physiological, biological and behavioural differences between humanity and other species, and putting that understanding into practice when interacting with them (especially on a sexual level)."
Quoted this for an extra emphasis on its importance. Sadly, only a very tiny fraction of "zoos" is taking this valuable advice serious.
Just take a look into the perpetuated "mares show their orgasm when they pee" myth...such bullshit sadly shows how much of an expert anyone of these random "horse zoos" you can meet online really is. This whole myth has its origins in human so called "female ejaculation" and points out pretty perfectly what is wrong with the majority of "zoophiles" these days. Or, as I like to put it: In order to love a horse, you have to become a horse.
"Artfremd" (inappropriate for the species) is the keyword in Germany´s law against interspecies sexuality; I really wonder whether you´d walk out of a German courtroom free if you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you perfectly "mimicked" a particular species´partner...but I´m not gonna be the plonker trying to prove it. ;)
Anyways, I´m still puzzled by the vast numbers of "zoos" who prefer having sex with an animal "the human way", who are not adapting their preferred species´ mating rituals and habits. Never seen another horse zoo who´s patient enough to do the entire "proposal rituals" that are involved in equine mating, like chasing, sniffing, etc. I´ve never met another mare lover who also is biting his mare´s back during intercourse (gently, of course...but still firm enough for her to recognise ...and enjoy). I´m aware of the fact that porn isn´t exactly a representative source for zoophile behaviour, but I still wonder why literally ALL the "mare lover " guys look like total douchebags, standing behind a mare, humping away at her without even touching her hips,flanks, back etc.....and how rare it is you see a "loved" mare actually showing bona fide mating position BEFORE the immissio.
Even more horrifying: the common blindness for their rather obvious anthropocentric approach in most, if not all "zoos". Doing it "human style" (with all the typical perversions of homo sapiens sapiens) versus genuine mating behaviour that´s approapriate for the species is similarly different like simply driving /"using" a car versus knowing how an engine works. It doesn´t take much to mush your genitalia with those of an animal...but it takes an awful lot to do it "correctly".
Maybe my participation in this sub isn´t as futile as I am thinking sometimes...thanks for pointing out this important detail to everyone. If the only thing somebody really "knows" about his/her animal/preferred species is how to use its genitalia, he/she´s got a loooong way to go.
I liked reading your comment. It makes sense. I would love to know how to be as dog like as possible for my partner at times. I can play like a dog, and know the mannerisms and behaviors, but to actually be as dog-like as possible while with my partner would be an ultimate goal of mine when we are alone. I just cannot smell or have those chemicals that dogs have to be fully submerged into doggy social likeness and language. Also I don't have the tail and ears to send those dog-like signals I so wish I could, to tell him lets play without having to take the toy from him and play chase. So I understand your comment. Id say give it time and patience for people to start being more loving and understanding of the animal language of their particular animal lover.
Me too. Doing the right mating behaviors is really stimulating, in my honest opinion; I don't know why people would choose not to go through the motions (or at least try). In general I think it's our duty to adapt to other species' procedures and likes, rather than expect the opposite.
And yet, what's funny is that it's not too hard to find some evidence of mares having actual "orgasm-like responses", to borrow a term from the paper. Pelvic floor/anal contraction and associated vocalization can be seen, if not super commonly. You (30-30) could tell me better if when that happens to the partners you've had, the second (short term awareness of hedonia/reward) and third (long term behavioral changes due to orgasm, as a response to the reward state) conditions are also satisfied, but I bet they are. Such things are harder to find evidence of.
It's odd that people would get fixated on some urination effect...but I can understand why. The squatting and fluid emission is a pre-coitus "flirtatious" behavior in mares, so maybe they think that more fluid emission means "arousal" and thus confuse that state with orgasm, since they don't really know what to look for. It's like what people think winking is, and the confusion surrounding that.
I'd pin that confusion on a lack of (firstly and foremost) education and (secondly) experience more than anything.
Absolutely, and you're welcome...I think it was really too significant to not note. And your participation here is definitely not futile.
odd.. I thought that people knew that other mammals experienced orgasms too? But I am glad science is making this a fact and letting those who maybe never thought about it open to that idea.
Studies like these are kind of important despite what I said in my top level comment. We have things that we consider to be knowns, but proving their existence empirically(aka through science) creates a groundwork for further study since, presumably, it means that they have identifiers or known variables to work with now. Some of the most important studies are, interestingly, the studies that people say "well, duh." to. :)
Aside from just getting more information to study further, there's quite a bit of so-called "common sense" that everyone knows that turns out to not be correct. It's important to get data to confirm that what we think we know is actually happening and isn't actually caused by something else.