[☮] ZF closing (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2017-06-23 01:35:27 by Yearningmice Zoophile
Well, for those of you who may not have heard(and I didn't see a post here) ZF is closing it's doors. There is a post in the main announcements forum with details. It is expected to wind up over the next few days. Check on old friends before it goes.
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Wow that's a shame to hear, they've been around for forever. Probably the oldest zoo site still around?
The oldest I know is Beast Forum.
It's like the worsts live older...
Which likely says something about this community.
To be fair, this one can't be shut down, doesn't have any maintenance outside of moderation and the occasional new mod tool or css feature, and has the same level of security as the rest of Reddit.
I meant the zoo community as a whole. The fact that BF is still the most popular and largest forum says something.
I realize that was worded a bit ambiguously.
I guess it would make sense that it has wider appeal. This community is quite restrictive by comparison when you consider how some users are treated.
Beastforum tends to play fast and loose on the morals front.
And in a way, every user we shoo away contributes to their activity. Kind of a lose-lose situation all told.
...and in another way, every user we justifiably shoo away helps us maintain a moral red line. In most cases, you cannot "educate" the dubious ones that come in here; it is a widespread, but completely false idea that a community has influence on the behaviour of individuals. We do not "lose" when we uphold certain values and drive off people who don´t accept these values. With your attitude, this sub would be the next Beastforum in no time, our standards lowered until extinct and nothing really would matter anymore.
I also have to contradict your previous statement of this community being restrictive compared to BF. BF also is VERY restrictive when it comes to morals and ideals. From my own experience, I can say that mods like Southflorida are even more restrictive whenever an opinion endangers the free cash flow of BF. I was thrown out of BF just because I mentioned the beasty-zoo controversy: BF´s own definitions make clear that you shouldn´t call yourself a zoo when you also have sex with humans. I was politely asking for other users to obey these definitions and got banned, with the only sentence of "I think you don´t fit in here" sent by Southflorida. I haven´t violated any rule of BF, but got expelled while others can upload shittons of obvious abusive animal porn and no one bats an eye. I still remember discovering contributions of a guy named "Calfboinker"...he uploaded selfmade porn with a cow..as he tried to fuck her, the cow was literally panicking, screaming in agony because this asshole tied her to a post with a slipknot rope and whenever she moved away from him, the sling got tighter and tighter, strangulating her. The comments under the videos? "Yeah, man, you did her right!" and "This cunt deserved it!"... No one felt the need to do or say something about this, no, many were cheering...
I really don´t believe we actually "lose" something when a new user who´s not familiar with our "restrictiveness" (some would call it upholding our ideals as zoophiles) finds a new home in BF. If this person is happy with what´s going on in BF, chances are high he never was a real zoophile in the first place and only accidentally came in here. I´d rather have a small sub with just a few, but real zoos than boosting our user numbers with all those that make BF such a "successful enterprise". The only real possibility to influence behaviour is when those shooed away come back here, after they have realised that this may be the last bastion of true zoophilia and that this community is actually worth adapting to.
The idea was more that the users we shoo away are more likely to find bf and give them their patronage, in some ways paying them for taking in who we refuse.
Upholding morals doesnt have to mean shooing everyone who makes a bad impression away. We need numbers, without numbers, we are ridiculously vulnerable. Reddit could ban this sub right now and nobody but us will notice.
We should focus on helping and teaching the less favorable people instead of driving them away to a community where there ideas and such will just be circlejerked until they show up on the news and inspire another round of anti zoo laws
How gullible you are to think that way. I really wonder how I could ever make it to owning a horse without all of this forum and internet blabber bullshit... you´re vastly exaggerating the effects forums as this have on people. You cannot teach the unteachable...and if a person that gets driven away from here finds refuge in BF without feeling the creepy comsumeristic nature of BF the second he logs in there, this person can´t be helped.
I just want to quote what my cow loving zoo friend once told me. He said that all rules and stipulations of true zoophilia are basically useless to formulate and write down. Any real zoos know all of these rules from the bottom of their hearts and don´t need ´em written on a sheet of paper or a screen. Everybody else who needs the as a reminder just isn´t a zoo. Maybe a little bit harsh, but basically that´s how I feel too. You don´t teach a single person anything...or when was the last time that discussing topics in "zoo forums" changed anything in anybody? Oh, wait, it was probably my "hate speech" that led to two members of cringeanarchy relativising their hate for "us" zoos, calling me levelheaded and such...
If you need forums like this to "educate" yourself about zoophilia although there´s a legion of texts out there, even books and TV documentations, then you will not "learn" anything in here too. Yaou just vastly overestimate the effects of such forums as this. Beasties will be and act like beasties, whatever it is said in a forum. And zoos will be and act like real zoos, despite of these forums. It´s not about how much you can babble about "zoophilia" , like Mr Aluzky for example frequently does, it´s what is in your heart that is important. And I haven´t yet experienced any "Saulus into Paulus" transformation in anyone, just because another online forum user commented.
Hm, I think it really depend on 1) amount of time one stays within given community 2) amount of individuals from said community he or she sees as models to follow (for various reasons) 3) previous history/communities/society as very massive background ..yes, apparently most humans go easily easy (for them..or so they think!) way...so, only few move outside of standard streams/currents and/or against them.
EATSP...Beastforum is the "epicenter of Anti True Zoo Propaganda", as a user named "Rebel of the Sacred Heart" once called it.
BF is not a zoo forum. There was a time they had a small zoo presence but that time also is long gone. BF is nothing more than a place for porn of any bestial sort. It's unfortunate that zoos coming onto the web for the first time find it first...
It's not that bad.
I've made a thread twice and it got me pretty good results. They cared about the wellbeings of animals and some claimed to be zoos themselves. They were quite like some other people here.
The majority may probably be bad, but you can end up with the right people if you make the right thread for example. It's just not right to discriminate against them.
The bad people aren't interested in threads that aren't too oversexual, especially if it's just asking for advice.
Well, you have your opinion of it, I have mine. I've been a member there since the early 2000s by the way, and have watched it turn into what it is now, and it's sad. You will be attacked, or banned, for posting most zoo opinions eventually btw, though it didn't use to be that way. They'll offer advice on how to fuck an animal, yes, but not on how to love one, or take correct care of one, etc.
I just lurk there occasionally now, hoping to see actual zoos coming there, and point them in better directions. BTW, anybody can "claim" to be a zoophile...
C'mon, not everybody.
I really got some advice that showed they care about animals.
You know exactly how much I am obsessed with the current problem I am dealing with.
Even they commented on it that it's too overboard and that I should be more careful. (Even though I am.)
They were pretty nice and not that different from here if you ask me. In fact, I'd rather ask them advice than this community, who probably would leave me hanging and insult my obsession.
Every community has it's ups and downs.
That's true and I agree very much that this word is ABUSED a fuckton.
You can't really say they aren't either, unless they're really careless and just every day bestialists. I mean, you believe everyone is a zoophile here, so why not there?
I never said I believe everyone here is a zoophile either. Here, they aren't stealing other folks porn to sell it or advocating animal rape though, so I participate here.
Then I'm quite curious on who you think who is a zoophile and who isn't...
But if you prefer this place that's fine. I'm just going to be honest and say this place kind of encourages animal rape and some other unethical acts in a way, but that's just my thoughts. I guess they really hold no value in a place like this.
Beast Forum doesn't give a fuck for community.
There, it's porn, porn, porn.
Copy/paste of the announcement, from about eight hours ago:
Sad to hear. Be well Rolan, and all that I knew in the forum. Bitchweazel.
While them and I never really got along, I am nevertheless sad to see them go. They are the last clearnet independently run zoosite I am aware of, and in many ways represent the end of an age.
I am saddened it has come to this, but thus is our world. Maybe I should look into setting up a zoophile forum sometime, I don't know... I've been tempted but then I remember who I am dealing with, and it's depressing.
Does anyone have a link to it? google is no help
www.zoophilesforum.com lol
Wow... This honestly is very sad. Despite the fact that they did house a sector purely for the purpose of distributing porn, the site in my opinion has generated a lot more good than bad. Such is life that another zoo forum comes and goes... ZF generated a true zoo community on what could be considered the last zoo focused discussion forum. There is so much valuable information shared amongst individuals on that site, and so I am deeply grateful that Rolan is going about archiving the site.
I understand that some people here are not so fond of ZF, I hope that you can look beyond that now that ZF is leaving. I myself have never really bothered in getting involved in discussion on there, and I spent most of my time lurking. Yet still I have made a few friends through the site who I am still in touch with, and there are a few minimal plans to keep the community together. I hope above anything else that the ZF community does not entirely dissolve, and that the users will make an initiative to move to, and feel welcomed to the r/zoophilia subreddit.
Yeah, if it turns out that there is an influx of ZF users we're probably going to be considerably more stringent with rule 7.
While it is true I have never been so fond of ZF due to its primary focus on topics which I’d consider as shallow or superficial, it is still sad to hear that the last major online community for zoophiles is going to be shut down permanently. After all, while I never felt the urge to actively participate in discussions, I have been a frequent reader of the forum ever since I discovered ZF in 2016. To be honest, these developments leave me wondering how the zoophile community is going to evolve in the age of social media. Could it be true that discussion forums are already an anachronism, a thing of the past which is bound to vanish during the next decade? Personally, I believe that this is not the case and it worries me that this subreddit has become the last active zoo community with an international audience, especially with regards to the considerable number of zoophiles worldwide.
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It's a very sad news...
Any decent alternatives? BF is just... no. and while I hung around knotty . me, that too slipped under the waves.
Sadly there are not. u/silverwolf-tippysmat runs the zoo writers guild, which dies have a small discussion session, but it mostly focused on fine arts expression.
Right now the decent alternative is this sub, which hopefully will stay active :D
I was afraid of that. And so it goes...
https://t.me/ZoophilesForum
Refugees from ZF meeting here, posted with permission. Telegram group.
No porn, other than writing, there's also my forum: http://www.zoowg.net/ Small membership, but I've added a couple discussion forums to it recently. It's on a secure server.
Forums go and forums go. But we always exist. More forums will be made and filled. Maybe some one will buy the same domain and make a new forum with the same name?
If I'm not wrong, I used to have an account there too.