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I honestly don't know anyone I can trust to talk about this and that also is into it. Communities like this help a bit I guess, but I think it would be great if we had a group chat where we could chat in real time about these matters and get to know eachother a bit more.
Don't get me wrong though. I don't expect you to use your real name or tell things about your private life that you don't want or anything like that. I myself wouldn't do that either. It would be just like this community right here, but on a chat.
I heard some people use Telegram but I don't want to use that since it requires my cellphone number which makes it less private, and Discord has a better interface too so I guess that would be better.
Is there any Discord group of this? If not, would you like to have one?
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The users here would want something that's 110% anon while still being secure. It's a tall order made taller with a service like discord. If memory serves, a number of people have tried doing similar things before, with little success. We'd need to be able to host and control it and be able to completely wipe or irreversibly corrupt chat and login data on the fly, most likely.
Useless, you cannot assume that there's none recording the data as it comes. A security rule is that whatever you send to a group of users can be read by a spy that's is an user. What you can do however is make yourself not traceable, but that's not too hard. As long as you don't send private data, you are pretty much safe, no cop can do anything without knowing which jurisdiction you are.
End to end encryption would be a given, mind.
The problem with End to End encryption where there can be untrusted ends is that it has no point, it's just too easy to break; imagine a telegram group where anyone can join, telegram has end to end encryption, but in such a case, it's just as weak as someone just joining the group and recording conversations, end to end only works on exclusive groups.
Still better than none, and private rooms wouldn't necessarily be out of the question on the off chance that we somehow end up with a chat server
I have implemented in the past secure technology, it's not really a hard thing to do unless you want lots of functionality and a beautiful interface. I can imagine an insane setup fairly easily, software wise, but that's not the problem, the problem would be getting people to join. Worse some time the more secure is more insecure because you are presenting a challenge to hackers.
The real problem however is not creating such chat, it'd be people joining, lack of users is what kills this, and given that it's very hard to join such secure setups, usually people don't bother; this is why you won't see many startups like this, so unless everyone agrees on such, none would take the job, much less if it's not profitable, because servers cost, and your time to make sure there are no security breaches costs too.
Or maybe just don't share information that can be used against you in the first place
Words to live by.
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Even if it's in jest, please don't post personally identifying information. We can't verify if it's fabricated, yours or someone else's information or what.
My bad, was just joking about people posting their info and how blatantly easy it is to simply not do that. All that info is junk
But there's a chat in furnet... using the old school IRC protocol which can be quite anonymous and you can even connect via TOR or a VPN. You'd use an email to register, but you only need it once and can use a throwaway email, it used to be quite popular but now for some reason it has lost members. It's definetely anonymous in the sense that you are not traceable, it's basically impossible to trace you if you use the most secure setup, note that this is somewhat hard which explains why it's mostly a network of engineers, but like any service anyone can just have logs.
furnet, do they allow access via tor now? i thought they barred that. could always dig up my irc and pop in there
I don't know, but I heard is possible for max security, I don't do it thu; I'm not very concerned because where I am currently it is legal.
hmm, sounds like a deal to me, its not legal here, but if it were, it shouldn't be info flying around everywhere
No but I mean, you don't have to worry about people attempting to track you; only a laws enforcement agency is able to do it with precission as they have to contact the ISP for an exact name. If you keep yourself anonymous enough, it's alright, however if you are paranoid and concerned, you can just connect via TOR.
I don't want anyone to find my real identity, not zoos not anyone. Might be paranoid, but I'm just extremely uncomfortable by the idea someone knowing me (this account owner's face) to just be like, oh he loves that.
No I mean, they only person that can trace you is somebody that has warrants like to get the information from providers, it's very very very hard to be traced, and the only ones that could do that successfully would be law enforcement agents that have all the warrants, and that's even harder if there's dynamic IP, plus if they are not searching for you specifically, they won't; you can just us use a VPN; or TOR, and there you are, pretty much invisible, but again there are different levels of security; the most is sometimes not the best as sometimes a little of security can already get it, but you have to choose what is optimal; SSL is a must go thu.
I'd be extremely wary of any chat group that is freely available to anyone who asks unless I'm planning on using a dedicated zoo account. People who are anti-zoo will join an open group and have outed people in the recent past by releasing lists of members and conversations in the groups.
That said, telegram doesn't let just anyone see your phone number, you have to be certain kinds of contacts in order to see another person's number. It also has an encrypted chat mode with a self-destruct feature.
Who cares about that? The Internet is not your life. Outing a chat log does absolute nothing except now some basement jerkers who get off to somethING else degenerate get to all point and laugh in a closed Internet forum. Who cares about that?
Well it's very easy to care when you use you aren't being completely anonymous and use the internet to make money. Many people, myself included, use their internet handles to interact with people they buy or sell to and sometimes meet in real life. Being outed as zoo or even zoo friendly can create problems.
I understand that. Though, how can you not see the obvious solution here... Come up with another fake untied handle. How hard is it to jut make up some bullshit zoo name, or hell a random assortment of letters and numbers. As long as you don't have a spasm and suddenly link your "real" alias you use for selling and shit, they will never be tied. Be even smarter and use a sanboxed browser o VPN with ONLY the fake bs zoo account and there is literally no way anyone can ever tie you to your "real alias"
I mean, I already said in my first response "unless I'm planning on using a dedicated zoo account."
Then what is the argument here. That's like saying, I could run up to a cop and confess to the crime, unless I already planned on not doing that exact thing. It's an irrelevant thought because nobody in their right mind is going to use their instagram handle as a dog fuckery account.
I'm not sure what the argument is. I said that unless you make a zoo-specific telegram, be careful. You replied to say to make a zoo specific telegram. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I was saying that because just a couple months ago I saw people get their accounts 'outed' because they joined zoo chats that weren't private. I've seen enough people who assume that chats and forums are private enough to use the same or a similar handle, so I figured a word of caution would be good.
There are two ways to deal with this. You can secure yourself or you can be very selective where you chat.
If you have a robust (malware resistant) system and a reliable VPN all you have to do is censor your mouth. It will always be possible to attack anyone but a number of "softer targets" will sound the warning before the enemy is successful in breaching your system.
Or someone trustworthy will have to own and host a server. I have done this and had some success with a simple php chat. But it isn't close to worth the price unless you have something else on the server paying the bills.
Mostly, like you said about Telegram, never send out anything identifying. Forums like ZWG are good compromise between speed and security.
I'd like to see a community setting a room in i2p's official IRC network. I2p provides anonymity (nobody can identify the server or each user) and client-to-server encryption.
IRC over Tor would be ok, but most big IRC networks have severe restrictions against Tor access.
That said, I have heard that zoos have had little success setting regular IRC chatrooms, so I am not optimistic about an i2p chatroom.
Thanks for all the answers.
Although I was expecting all of us to use new fake accounts and not talk about things that might identify us IRL and stuff.
Is Discord really that dangerous if you don't share traceable personal information?
I don't think it's dangerous, but there are more secure ways to chat.
Fuck any and all chat clients. Let's start chatting here literally in reply to your comment.
So uh, yeah. US zoos man, dog dicks and whatnot... man uh... did you see that puffy vulva up on tailbait the oher day? That was nice.
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just throwing this out there.. i apologize for repeating it elsewhere, but this thread seems like a(nother) good place to post this info.
textnow.com and smsreceivefree.com will give you a fake phone number. it requires an email address, but you can get a fake email address easily from 10minutemail.com . do all of this over a VPN and/or using the tor browser and you should be set to make a fake telegram account. just make sure to only use telegram over VPN...
edit: .. er.. i mean, that is .. for telegram desktop.
OR you can just stop trying to hide in the shadows. i opened this post thinking someone would already have a discord open. everyone here instead is concerned with security. may i remind you that nothing can be held against you without proof?
In my case it's not that what I fear. Bestiality isn't even illegal where I live. What I fear is someone discovering this side of me, ending up with people I know personally knowing about this. I know it sounds paranoid but I can't help it tbh.
id like to have a discord for this yea
want me to make a discord/telegram?
idk, if many agree then yes, but if not, i'd prefer to keep waiting.