A post here recently was features in /r/drama. just a warning (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2017-08-02 23:46:02 by thelongestusernameee banned from the aquarium touch tank
ThrowwwayGurl 17 points on 2017-08-03 17:37:05

/drama is a cancerous pile of fetid sewage.

It's amazing that such similar named subs can foster such radically different communities. I laugh my butt off at /r/subredditdrama all the time since my hubby showed me, but r/drama is just teenage boys whining about social justice and making fun of people different than themselves.

edit: hey drama kiddos, stop trying to contact me on your alts for sexytimes fun. I haven't received a PM in over a year, suddenly I'm getting invites to chat and dick pics? Decide already if you're grossed out or turned on and stick with it. Part of growing up is deciding what you really believe, not doing acrobatics to keep your cool friends while secretly wanting to indulge in the stuff they're making fun of. If you have a question, go ahead and ask, I don't mind answering if it's genuine curiosity but I'm not looking to provide private fap'n'chat for boys young enough to be my kids.

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M1ST1C 1 point on 2017-08-04 16:00:41

Let me tell you this-- /r/Drama is one of the most malevolent, cruel, coldhearted online communities you'll ever find

/r/imgoingtohellforthis

---Kaiser 14 points on 2017-08-04 20:04:30

You are just making shit up it's so obvious you have never actually taken more than a cursory glance at the subreddit. The entire point of the subreddit is it's anti both sides.

Every post about something in the donald calls them trumptards and donnie fanboys.

Every post about SJWs talks about legbeard hamplanets.

There is literally no agenda on /r/Drama. Spend more than 3 seconds actually reading the titles and you will realize half of them insult a group of people while actually satirizing the group of people that make fun of that group. Overuse of (((echoes))) to mock people who use them etc.

edit: I'm a dumbass

toynbeeidea16 8 points on 2017-08-04 20:11:08

Well, never mind all that, /u/---Kaiser. This has nothing to do with this thread, but would you just listen to me for a little bit? See, I went to the local Yoshinoya today. Right. Yoshinoya. And the damn place was packed so full of people, I couldn't even find a seat. So I looked around a bit, and I found a sign that said "150 yen off". What the hell is wrong with you people? Are you idiots or something? Any other day you wouldn't even think of going to Yoshinoya, but if it's 150 yen off, you all flock in here? It's just 150 fucking yen! 150 yen! And you're brining the kids too. Look at that, a family of four going to Yoshinoya. Con-fucking-gratulations. And now the guy's going, "All right! Daddy's going to order the extra-large!" Shit, I can't watch any more of this.

Yoshinoya should be fucking brutal. Two guys sit facing each other across a U-shaped table, and you never quite know if they'll suddenly just start a fight right there. It's stab-or-be-stabbed, and that's what so damn great about the place. Women and kids should stay the fuck away.

Well, I finally found a seat, but then the guy next to me goes, "I'll have a large bowl with extra gravy!". So now I'm pissed off again. Who the fuck orders extra gravy these days? Why are you looking so goddamn proud when you say that? I was gonna ask you, are you really going to fucking eat all that gravy? I wanted to fucking interrogate you. For about a fucking hour. You know what? I think you just wanted to say "extra gravy".

Now, take it from a Yoshinoya veteran. The latest thing among the Yoshinoya pros is this: Extra green onions. That's the ticket. A large bowl with extra onions, and egg. This is what someone who knows his shit orders. They put in more onions, and less meat. A large bowl with the raw egg, that's really fucking awesome. Now, you should know, if you keep ordering this, there's a risk employees might write you up. This really is a double-edged sword. I really can't recommend this for amateurs.

And you, /u/---Kaiser, well, you should really just stick to today's special.

---Kaiser 10 points on 2017-08-04 20:15:42

ok so instead of admitting you are wrong or trying to prove your point you just reply with some weeb ass copy pasta

I guess I can accept that as a concession.

toynbeeidea16 4 points on 2017-08-04 20:19:36

Actually, I just DID prove my point.

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AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 2 points on 2017-08-05 15:12:47

Copypastas that are a bit less hostile would be appreciated.

toynbeeidea16 1 point on 2017-08-05 17:20:37

I'm sorry, which part of that was "hostile?"

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 4 points on 2017-08-05 17:23:57

The stuff between "let me tell you this" and the last period, approximately.

thelongestusernameee banned from the aquarium touch tank 1 point on 2017-08-04 15:12:56

just a tip, you might be about to get a flood of certain kinds of comments

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AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 2 points on 2017-08-04 17:01:57

Maybe he, and you, were wrong. What I know to be right, though, is rule 7.

ThrowwwayGurl 2 points on 2017-08-07 02:29:26

I noticed, lots of kiddies fapping and pretending to be shocked and grossed out. Funny how these public hatestorms always seem to coincide with a lot of private messages, requests to "KIK" and unsolicited dick pics. Sorry y'all, Even if I wasn't old and married, this kind of desperation is pretty embarrassing.

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AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 5 points on 2017-08-04 17:07:30

Agreed. That's why our users don't rape them.

Sasukefan99 13 points on 2017-08-04 17:10:15

Mhm just like the user whose comment I replied to having sex with their Shep 😂

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 5 points on 2017-08-04 17:18:04

Sex isn't rape by necessity, however.

WalterMatthau 25 points on 2017-08-04 17:37:05

If it involves animals, it sure is.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 3 points on 2017-08-04 17:38:48

Then two dogs mating are raping eachother.

Sasukefan99 17 points on 2017-08-04 18:03:25

Yea, what's your point? Humans are much more advanced than dogs. Are you really implying that my logic in nonconsentual sex being wrong is flawed because primitive animals have sex?

Is sex with a preteen as a legal adult wrong?

Is sex with an incapacitated male or female wrong?

Is sexual slavery wrong?

BadBoy003 2 points on 2017-08-04 18:41:22

You fail to grasp the fact that a sexually mature non-human animal is not a sexually juvenile human, that an incapacitated human is not a free non-human and that sexual contact can and does happen without "slavery."

If it involves animals, it sure is.

Why?

they can't consent

Why?

Sasukefan99 2 points on 2017-08-04 19:35:58

#spreadfordogcocks

Bye!

mttcisc crocodiles are beautiful 2 points on 2017-08-05 00:15:55

"This is bad!"

"Why?"

"Bye!"

To everyone else who want to change our minds. Get a definition of "bad" and show us how not forced inter species sex fulfills it step by step. I mean not forced by a soldier who gives you a choice "fuck it or I will kill both of you" for example. Any other circumstance has to fulfill definition of "bad", otherwise it will be excuse. To make it easier for you I will give you my definition, because obviously it is subjective (someone's definition, you can argue about objectivity of morality as a whole, but it doesn't matter) and you have to use your interlocutor's definition in order to convince your interlocutor. So I think that a "good" action creates more pleasure than suffering, "bad" action instead creates more suffering than pleasure. Clear and simple. One more thing: acknowledge that you may be mistaken. Both sides should always do it. If you don't fulfill those requirements, then DON'T EVEN TRY to argue. It would lead us nowhere.

cnzmur 1 point on 2017-08-05 01:42:28

I completely reject the premise that when talking to a utilitarian I have to use utilitarian definitions of evil. I can be a deontologist or whatever if I want to (though admittedly it would be a lot slower, because I'd have to convince you of that first).

mttcisc crocodiles are beautiful 1 point on 2017-08-05 08:27:10

I agree. But look what have you done, now your interlocutor has an dentologist definition!

you have to use your interlocutor's definition in order to convince your interlocutor.

This sentence is still valid.

---Kaiser 14 points on 2017-08-04 20:06:42

Because they aren't sapient beings with the ability to make concious decisions and you are literally their owner and control their entire life from birth til death. You are literally raising and grooming sex slaves.

This is entirely ignoring the fact you are literally attracted to a FUCKING DOG. What the fuck is wrong with you?

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 2 points on 2017-08-04 20:16:49

Ignoring the issue of sapience, they can and do make conscious decisions. There are plenty of instances where a nonhuman animal just don't want that from their caretaker, and that's the end of it. The need for sex isn't some irrefutable and indiscriminate force, and even nonhuman animals with an established sexual relationship with a human aren't always in the mood when they are. That's respected.

---Kaiser 4 points on 2017-08-04 20:17:52

No they can not make conscious decisions or understand right and wrong. That is the definition of a non-sapient being.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 2 points on 2017-08-04 20:21:17

What form of sapience are you using? There is the concept of sapience as self awareness and sapience as wisdom.

Also, nonhuman animals do have morals. Social animals moreso than others, of course.

---Kaiser 4 points on 2017-08-04 20:42:28

No. You are confusing sentience and sapience.

Almost every animal is sentient. Humans are the only sapient beings.

I'm not going to continue this thread if you don't even bother to google basic words.

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---Kaiser 6 points on 2017-08-04 21:16:05

Ok you are just being intentionally dense. I dont care anymore go back to fucking your labradoodle you freak.

Sapience is a trait that seperates humans from other animals. It is the ability to make decisions based on what is right and wrong and how that decision affects morals.

BadBoy003 1 point on 2017-08-04 21:48:04

It is the ability to make decisions based on what is right and wrong and how that decision affects morals.

Do you mean their ability to make decisions based on what is beneficial for them?

Ignoring the questionable assertion that non-human animals are entirely amoral. I truly cannot understand how this matters. Are you saying it's immoral for someone to have sex with them, because the animal they are having sex with doesn't have a sense of morality?

If you are just saying that they cannot grasp the risks and thereby implying it's the same as statutory rape then OK. But that really isn't that great of an argument because of the essential lack of risk involved in interspecies relations

Once again, I have to say I fail to comprehend why an animal's lack of morality makes something wrong. Could you explain your reasoning?

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 0 points on 2017-08-04 21:22:21

Not confusion. There are common nonstandard definitions of what sapience is, and I've been faced with people using said nonstandard definitions multiple times; self awareness being the most common. It has a way of completely derailing debates when it happens, so I have to be certain. Self awareness was historically a go-to for sapience, but is supposed to be considered part of a larger whole.

Now that that's settled, sapience operates on a spectrum. While sapience is certainly more restricted than sentience, it is not binary, nor is it exclusive to humans unless you want to look at human sapience as 'true' sapience. Many higher vertebrates have some level of sapience, with humans being classified as being the most sapient species on earth, to date. Your average dog possesses partial sapience, but it's certainly enough for them to make their own decisions about something like this, given the veritable lack of risk.

Also, sapience has nothing to do with morality. A serial killer that has no qualms about doing things that are 'wrong' so long as they end up on top is still sapient.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 2 points on 2017-08-04 19:41:05

Yea, what's your point? Humans are much more advanced than dogs. Are you really implying that my logic in nonconsentual sex being wrong is flawed because primitive animals have sex?

If you're assigning the same standard to consent as you would between two humans, then yes. The standard of consent used between humans works really well because it's tailored to humans. Verbal consent works because that verbal part is humanity's most authoritative form of communication, second perhaps, to the written word.

Consent exists in the form that it does as a means for prevention of three fundamental consequences -- most importantly preventing trauma, but also inhibiting the spread of STIs and preventing unwanted pregnancies. The latter two, due to the extreme rarity of zoonoses and insurmountable prezygotic barriers, don't apply when humans and nonhuman animals have sexual relations.

Now, trauma in nonhuman animals is observable, and sex doesn't have the same significance to most nonhuman animals as it does for humans. Nobody here would condone causing trauma, or choose to cause it themselves; that's why we religiously advocate that people seeking a nonhuman animal as a sexual partner know all the intricacies of how they communicate. Avoidance behavior and signs of discomfort are the equivalent of a red stop light here.

Anyway, on the issue of consent, there is a form of consent that can be used -- their body language. Most nonhuman animals (and all mammals as I understand it) have distinct body language that indicates sexual willingness. And of course, when concerning male nonhuman animals, deciding to mount is essentially consent on their part.

Oh and, it's a common spelling mistake, but "consentual" is actually spelled "consensual". It seems weird and arbitrary when writing(and to an extent it is, to be honest), but it makes for much more intuitive pronunciation, despite the less logical spelling. Consentual pops up here and there, but is considered nonstandard spelling and propagated itself through typos in legal settings by and large. No worries though, I just find English to be rather fascinating and wanted to share. :)

Is sex with a preteen as a legal adult wrong?

I suspect that you're equating adult nonhuman animals to children here, at least in the sense of their mental state. While it's a handy shortcut to say, for instance, that a dog has the mental capacity of a child, it bears stating that it doesn't mean they have minds like children; they don't, they're, on a fundamental level, unique to that of humans.

An adult human having sexual relations with a preteen causes empirically observable damage -- the issue is that they aren't ready for sex. The canine, equine, etc partners that our users have are sexually, mentally, and physically mature, however. They're ready for sex and would have it anyway at that point. Many are taken for regular vet visits, and they're at the pinnacle of health.

Is sex with an incapacitated male or female wrong?

Of course. Restraints and mind altering drugs being used during intercourse with a nonhuman animal is not acceptable here and shouldn't be accepted anywhere. But a mentally sound, adult, and well cared for nonhuman animal that can reasonably show willingness or aversion is fine.

Is sexual slavery wrong?

Yeah. Sexual agency is extremely important. If the nonhuman animal doesn't want it, the zoophile doesn't do it. There are a number of occasions where a nonhuman animal has actually solicited their human partner for it, even when said zoophile isn't in the mood. It's very much a mutual affair, just like how it is between humans.

The people here don't have nonhuman animal partners because of fantasies or fetishes, mind. It's a genuine attraction -- no power dynamic, no degradation, no taboo, or any of that. Those things are often actively avoided in favor of what can be considered a 'pure' relationship. It's rare that you'll see a zoophile who thinks of nonhuman animals or their partners as anything less than an equal, hence why a non-zoophile decided to moderate this subreddit.

It also bears mentioning that the relationship a zoophile has with a nonhuman animal partner is much more than just sexual. There is often an element of romance for the zoophile, as well as the usual and close bond between caretaker and nonhuman animal

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megadeadly 2 points on 2017-08-05 14:39:20

That's some extra retarded logic

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 5 points on 2017-08-05 14:41:34

Burden of proof is on you.

megadeadly 2 points on 2017-08-05 14:45:26

You're disgusting

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-08-05 14:50:23

If that's your proof, then we've reached the problem. Disgust has a way of causing negative biases, which interferes with reasoning.

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AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-08-05 14:53:07

I'm asexual hun. I moderate this place because the people here are a great deal better than you seem to think.

megadeadly 1 point on 2017-08-05 14:54:27

Oh I bet.

SCP_2547 1 point on 2017-08-05 14:59:10

Oh man, this is just like a videogame!
Is this your last resort attack?
Can you give me a tutorial on how to assume like you?

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SCP_2547 1 point on 2017-08-05 15:12:38

Mmmm, I'm afraid that's not true.
You're clearly not seeing right nor thinking right, unfortunately for you.
I recommend not being dropped as a baby. But I guess I can't really recommend that if it's already happened.
Well, good news is it doesn't affect us.
Bad news for you is that it affects you only.
Gotta go. There's a dog vagina begging to be fondled with.

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SCP_2547 1 point on 2017-08-05 15:20:11

You mean a doggie fondler?

blacknblue12 1 point on 2017-08-04 17:38:26

all penetration is rape

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blacknblue12 1 point on 2017-08-05 15:16:48

Is there some reason that you are speaking for me?

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-08-05 15:54:20

He wanted to get banned.

Sasukefan99 2 points on 2017-08-04 18:02:41

Sex without consent is

fuzzyfurry 1 point on 2017-08-04 22:52:44
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AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 3 points on 2017-08-04 19:51:33

you fuck dogs.

Considering that she has sexual relations with a male dog, it's quite the opposite. Would you like to discuss your misgivings more civilly?

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Aluzky 1 point on 2017-08-16 17:47:23

Not the first time. At least this time I'm not the target.