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KynophileDog lover 4 points on 2017-08-20 17:58:21
This is pretty awful, but it's one of a thousand horrible things coming out of Venezuela. This is what you get when you implement a planned economy, especially when the plan depends on high oil prices forever.
thelongestusernameeebanned from the aquarium touch tank 4 points on 2017-08-20 18:26:49
the whole situation is shit. at least the horse didnt have to starve to death
30-30amator equae 1 point on 2017-08-20 23:55:26
Sorry, but nonsense. You remember the financial crisis of 2008/2009?
Ireland as the home of many investment funds/banks/ greedy capitalist dickheads was severely affected by the crisis and many horseowners chose to simply abandon their horses , letting them go astray. Those horses didn´t starve to death, they actually survived and even procreated in such huge numbers, Ireland had to take action and capture and even kill some of the free roamers running around on their island to prevent car accidents with horses, possibly killing the driver.
If the horse would have been set free or just been brought to a separate , remote part of the land, chances would have been high the horse could´ve easily survived the crisis and brought back to the zoo once the whole shitshow is over....problem solved without starvation.
thelongestusernameeebanned from the aquarium touch tank 3 points on 2017-08-21 00:53:25
can you at least read the entire article before commenting? the other animals are on severely reduced feedings (and they were still better off than some other people ) and the zoos were begging companies that couldnt supply their customers to donate to the zoos. they are transferring (or at least trying to) animals to other zoos that can handle them better. Setting the horse free will just make it easier for people to kill it . people werent desperate for food en masse in ireland
Do you even have the slightest clue whats happening in venezuela right now? Its not a simple financial crises, its a government self destructing and taking out a shit ton of people as it does so.
oh, and horses can be invasive species you know.
30-30amator equae 1 point on 2017-08-21 05:36:43
No, I haven´t read the article and I didn´t had to because I just replied to that starvation nonsense.
And yes, I know what´s going on in Venezuela, ´cause we have television and newspapers in Germany, too. Also you´re wrong about Irish people not starving during the financial crisis, some slaughtered their horses, just like the crowd in the Venezuelan zoo.
And our society still slaughters hundereds of thousands of bovines and pigs without a financial crisis...each day.
It takes quite a long time until horses starve. To my knowledge, it´s not Venezuelans, but North Koreans who are forced to eat grass nad bark due to extreme food shortage...
Invasive species? Every species without a natural enemy is an invasive species. Humans, for example.
thelongestusernameeebanned from the aquarium touch tank 5 points on 2017-08-21 14:45:32
No, I haven´t read the article
thanks for saving me the effort of reading the rest of your crap
tencendur_Neeeigh 2 points on 2017-08-23 11:20:38
Also you´re wrong about Irish people not starving during the financial crisis
Did Ireland face a supply crisis in which supermarkets where empty, there was no asspaper to buy even if you wanted to buy it, and people who complained where disappearing once put in prison?
I doubt Ireland got as bad as a WW postwar loser, which is what Venezuela is starting to look like.
xarexen 1 point on 2017-09-10 03:30:39
You're comparing the 3rd world to the first world; and for a place that invented both the TV and the Printing press you apparently have very bad papers and television in Germany.
zootrashcandoggy doodle dandy 2 points on 2017-08-21 08:04:01
Those horses didn´t starve to death, they actually survived and even procreated in such huge numbers
Yeah I'm skeptical of ALL the horses surviving. When captive animals are turned loose a very large percentage of them dies. Depending on how many are released, the species' general adaptability, and the resources available, feral populations can and will be established, but that doesn't change the fact that many of the original animals turned loose die. Even wild animals native to an area are known to have extremely high mortality if raised in captivity and released. Hell, wild animals taken from one location and released to a new location are known to die because they can't find resources in the new area.
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mttcisccrocodiles are beautiful 2 points on 2017-08-20 23:11:12
But hey according to europe
Hehe, not all the europe ;)
Ok, now seriously: I really doubt Venezuela is safer. I don't track the news, but this article tells something completely different.
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mttcisccrocodiles are beautiful 1 point on 2017-08-21 09:39:27
citation about some data
Can you link them? I would like to see.
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mttcisccrocodiles are beautiful 1 point on 2017-08-21 21:28:19
Ok, I have changed citation.
OnzaZ 1 point on 2017-08-22 09:55:49
Thanks I let myself be driven by emotions, shouldn't have happened; let keep this so, reddit is not the right place for this, much less this subreddit.
30-30amator equae 2 points on 2017-08-20 23:48:47
The only thing I am wondering about is why there isn´t some kind of international organisation that tries to end the humanitarian crisis in Venezuela. Just with what the first world supermarket chains throw in their trash bins every day, we could feed Venezuela in an instant, rendering barbaric acts like the one in the OP unnecessary. Is it because "they´re ev0l socialists" over there?
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-08-21 02:52:28
Free food is bad for business and a hassle for food retailers. Throw in the fact that our boxed and canned foods are liable to kill them and you'll find that it's not likely to be remedied by commercial entities. We'd be able to end world hunger with a collective flick of the wrist if we devoted the resources to it, but uniting the world for anything is hard enough before the issue of money arises.
30-30amator equae 2 points on 2017-08-21 05:27:54
So it´s "the dollar before the people" again? Money is more important than lives....hmmm, what system has done that? I can´t remember...;)
AmoreBestiaPro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 2 points on 2017-08-21 05:56:56
Not quite right. It's a "my life is more important to me than their lives" philosophy, but mediated by money.
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canicule_ 1 point on 2017-08-21 04:04:08
Even in the face of the utter failure of a socialist state, it's still the evil first worlder capitalists that are somehow in the wrong and at fault... It isn't the responsibility of a successful and stable nation to bail out a failing country and it certainly isn't the responsibility of private enterprise. The Venezuelan government is what was supposed to be held accountable for its people. Not the rest of the world. Not WalMart. We can all see how that accountability turned out. Like the gangsters that they are, Maduro and his buddies abused of their power to seek fortune for themselves at the detriment of everybody subjugated to them. Seems to be a rather common theme in socialism, actually.
And hey. You seem rather well off. Aren't you constantly bragging about your property and station in life? Why don't you donate some of your money to help the cause?
30-30amator equae 1 point on 2017-08-21 05:25:49
Abusing power for personal gain is not an issue that is only found in socialist governments, it is an issue in ALL governments. Our where do you think the great wealth only a few have does come from and why the current WH administration is among the wealthiest, if not the wealthiest ever in office? Yeah, and don´t hold the multinational corporations accountable, ´cause they have NOTHING to do with the problems, right? I guess Venezuela is only on the American radar because....a) the nice landscape, b) the nice people or c) it´s the country with the biggest oil reserves ...pick one!
Have you heard about Salvador Allende? The pig bay invasion? And how The Glorious US of A is treating South america for ages now?
Wouldn´t be much of a surprise if documents of illegal operations influencing the oil prices (via the OPEC, for example, with your good friends Saudi Arabia as a leading member, those muslims who are "the good ones" although they too dish out draconian punishment for ridiculous offenses, practically ISIS, but with oil you Muricans want) emerged from some CIA archive in 70 years.
And how can you know I´m not already donating monthly? Maybe I do.
canicule_ 1 point on 2017-08-21 05:56:58
I have very little faith in any type of government. Gangsterism in all but name. It just so happens that the more power they have, the more elbow room they have for corruption/abuse. But hey. Don't take my word for it. Just look at pretty much the entirety of human history.
Our where do you think the great wealth only a few have does come from
Oh I don't know. How about offering services and products enjoyed by millions? Or lending capital to support others who offer goods and services enjoyed by millions? I don't know. Not all fortunes are accumulated at gunpoint.
You know, Maduro also blames the US for the ills "his" country are currently facing. How quaint. It's funny how under Chavez, things were going incredibly more smoothly than they are doing now. Are there inequalities here? Absolutely. But the difference is that as an American living in a (mostly) capitalist environment, I currently don't have to break into other people's property to butcher and eat animals for survival. I only do it to fuck them. ;)
caikgoch 1 point on 2017-08-21 12:23:31
While we're remembering the evils of American domination lets be sure to mention the rape of Germany and Japan after WW2.
But in the end it comes down to a basic: People invariably get the government that they deserve. No matter who you want to blame for the misallocation of resources, Venezuela has a tropical climate and lots of farmland. Someone could grow food.
tencendur_Neeeigh 1 point on 2017-08-23 11:31:15
Actually, the known oil prices manipulation we have been watching recently is due to an effort from the Middle East to smash fracking companies, and it is prety much an open statement. Venezuela is a bystander that got badly hit in the crossfire. And many US companies took the sharp end of the sword.
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tencendur_Neeeigh 1 point on 2017-08-23 11:27:46
Venezuela is not the sort of place that goes unsupplied unless their supplies are very badly managed. There is oil - not very good oil, but there is - and growing up food shouldn't be hard given the climate. They are getting money and supply shipments from other countries. Yet they have a supply crisis.
Most likely the government is doing very poor planning and hoarding the few resources left in order to buy favors. This is very common for poor countries, where the easiest way to get some of the few food left is to join the army or work for the tyrant that has the food.Under these conditions, it does not matter that you deliver foopd supplies there, since the government is likely to hoard it and most of the supplies won't reach the hungry people.
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This is pretty awful, but it's one of a thousand horrible things coming out of Venezuela. This is what you get when you implement a planned economy, especially when the plan depends on high oil prices forever.
the whole situation is shit. at least the horse didnt have to starve to death
Sorry, but nonsense. You remember the financial crisis of 2008/2009? Ireland as the home of many investment funds/banks/ greedy capitalist dickheads was severely affected by the crisis and many horseowners chose to simply abandon their horses , letting them go astray. Those horses didn´t starve to death, they actually survived and even procreated in such huge numbers, Ireland had to take action and capture and even kill some of the free roamers running around on their island to prevent car accidents with horses, possibly killing the driver.
If the horse would have been set free or just been brought to a separate , remote part of the land, chances would have been high the horse could´ve easily survived the crisis and brought back to the zoo once the whole shitshow is over....problem solved without starvation.
can you at least read the entire article before commenting? the other animals are on severely reduced feedings (and they were still better off than some other people ) and the zoos were begging companies that couldnt supply their customers to donate to the zoos. they are transferring (or at least trying to) animals to other zoos that can handle them better. Setting the horse free will just make it easier for people to kill it . people werent desperate for food en masse in ireland
Do you even have the slightest clue whats happening in venezuela right now? Its not a simple financial crises, its a government self destructing and taking out a shit ton of people as it does so.
oh, and horses can be invasive species you know.
No, I haven´t read the article and I didn´t had to because I just replied to that starvation nonsense. And yes, I know what´s going on in Venezuela, ´cause we have television and newspapers in Germany, too. Also you´re wrong about Irish people not starving during the financial crisis, some slaughtered their horses, just like the crowd in the Venezuelan zoo. And our society still slaughters hundereds of thousands of bovines and pigs without a financial crisis...each day. It takes quite a long time until horses starve. To my knowledge, it´s not Venezuelans, but North Koreans who are forced to eat grass nad bark due to extreme food shortage... Invasive species? Every species without a natural enemy is an invasive species. Humans, for example.
thanks for saving me the effort of reading the rest of your crap
Did Ireland face a supply crisis in which supermarkets where empty, there was no asspaper to buy even if you wanted to buy it, and people who complained where disappearing once put in prison?
I doubt Ireland got as bad as a WW postwar loser, which is what Venezuela is starting to look like.
You're comparing the 3rd world to the first world; and for a place that invented both the TV and the Printing press you apparently have very bad papers and television in Germany.
Yeah I'm skeptical of ALL the horses surviving. When captive animals are turned loose a very large percentage of them dies. Depending on how many are released, the species' general adaptability, and the resources available, feral populations can and will be established, but that doesn't change the fact that many of the original animals turned loose die. Even wild animals native to an area are known to have extremely high mortality if raised in captivity and released. Hell, wild animals taken from one location and released to a new location are known to die because they can't find resources in the new area.
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Hehe, not all the europe ;)
Ok, now seriously: I really doubt Venezuela is safer. I don't track the news, but this article tells something completely different.
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Can you link them? I would like to see.
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Ok, I have changed citation.
Thanks I let myself be driven by emotions, shouldn't have happened; let keep this so, reddit is not the right place for this, much less this subreddit.
The only thing I am wondering about is why there isn´t some kind of international organisation that tries to end the humanitarian crisis in Venezuela. Just with what the first world supermarket chains throw in their trash bins every day, we could feed Venezuela in an instant, rendering barbaric acts like the one in the OP unnecessary. Is it because "they´re ev0l socialists" over there?
Free food is bad for business and a hassle for food retailers. Throw in the fact that our boxed and canned foods are liable to kill them and you'll find that it's not likely to be remedied by commercial entities. We'd be able to end world hunger with a collective flick of the wrist if we devoted the resources to it, but uniting the world for anything is hard enough before the issue of money arises.
So it´s "the dollar before the people" again? Money is more important than lives....hmmm, what system has done that? I can´t remember...;)
Not quite right. It's a "my life is more important to me than their lives" philosophy, but mediated by money.
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Even in the face of the utter failure of a socialist state, it's still the evil first worlder capitalists that are somehow in the wrong and at fault... It isn't the responsibility of a successful and stable nation to bail out a failing country and it certainly isn't the responsibility of private enterprise. The Venezuelan government is what was supposed to be held accountable for its people. Not the rest of the world. Not WalMart. We can all see how that accountability turned out. Like the gangsters that they are, Maduro and his buddies abused of their power to seek fortune for themselves at the detriment of everybody subjugated to them. Seems to be a rather common theme in socialism, actually.
And hey. You seem rather well off. Aren't you constantly bragging about your property and station in life? Why don't you donate some of your money to help the cause?
Abusing power for personal gain is not an issue that is only found in socialist governments, it is an issue in ALL governments. Our where do you think the great wealth only a few have does come from and why the current WH administration is among the wealthiest, if not the wealthiest ever in office? Yeah, and don´t hold the multinational corporations accountable, ´cause they have NOTHING to do with the problems, right? I guess Venezuela is only on the American radar because....a) the nice landscape, b) the nice people or c) it´s the country with the biggest oil reserves ...pick one! Have you heard about Salvador Allende? The pig bay invasion? And how The Glorious US of A is treating South america for ages now? Wouldn´t be much of a surprise if documents of illegal operations influencing the oil prices (via the OPEC, for example, with your good friends Saudi Arabia as a leading member, those muslims who are "the good ones" although they too dish out draconian punishment for ridiculous offenses, practically ISIS, but with oil you Muricans want) emerged from some CIA archive in 70 years.
And how can you know I´m not already donating monthly? Maybe I do.
I have very little faith in any type of government. Gangsterism in all but name. It just so happens that the more power they have, the more elbow room they have for corruption/abuse. But hey. Don't take my word for it. Just look at pretty much the entirety of human history.
Oh I don't know. How about offering services and products enjoyed by millions? Or lending capital to support others who offer goods and services enjoyed by millions? I don't know. Not all fortunes are accumulated at gunpoint.
You know, Maduro also blames the US for the ills "his" country are currently facing. How quaint. It's funny how under Chavez, things were going incredibly more smoothly than they are doing now. Are there inequalities here? Absolutely. But the difference is that as an American living in a (mostly) capitalist environment, I currently don't have to break into other people's property to butcher and eat animals for survival. I only do it to fuck them. ;)
While we're remembering the evils of American domination lets be sure to mention the rape of Germany and Japan after WW2.
But in the end it comes down to a basic: People invariably get the government that they deserve. No matter who you want to blame for the misallocation of resources, Venezuela has a tropical climate and lots of farmland. Someone could grow food.
Actually, the known oil prices manipulation we have been watching recently is due to an effort from the Middle East to smash fracking companies, and it is prety much an open statement. Venezuela is a bystander that got badly hit in the crossfire. And many US companies took the sharp end of the sword.
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Venezuela is not the sort of place that goes unsupplied unless their supplies are very badly managed. There is oil - not very good oil, but there is - and growing up food shouldn't be hard given the climate. They are getting money and supply shipments from other countries. Yet they have a supply crisis.
Most likely the government is doing very poor planning and hoarding the few resources left in order to buy favors. This is very common for poor countries, where the easiest way to get some of the few food left is to join the army or work for the tyrant that has the food.Under these conditions, it does not matter that you deliver foopd supplies there, since the government is likely to hoard it and most of the supplies won't reach the hungry people.
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