Interesting excerpt. (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2017-09-25 22:05:21 by AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile.

The source is obviously treating zoophilia in the context of forensics and law so it has some uglier bits, but it's an interesting foundation for more dialogue on the topic of definitions.

1.1.1. Class I zoosexuals: human-animal role-players

Class I zoosexuals do not use animals for sex at all, just as class I necrophiles do not have sex with dead people. In other words, they are mere role-players. They would rather want their human partners to act as animals during sex, because the thought of having sex with animals excites them. Also known as pet play, pony play, ponyism or pup-play, humaneanimal role-play thus involves one participant taking on the role of a real or imaginary animal in character, including appropriate mannerisms and behavior. Thus it is a kind of sexual role-play.

The principal theme of human-animal role-play is usually the voluntary or involuntary reduction (or transformation) of a human being to animal status, and focus on the altered mind-space created. The most common examples of “conversion” are canids (pup, dog, wolf), felines (cat, kitten, lion) and equines (pony, horse). The activity is common among people with a transformation fetish (A form of sexual fetishism where a person becomes sexually aroused by descriptions or depictions of transformations, usually the transformations of people into other beings, animals or objects). Human-animal role-play is also used in a BDSM context, where the partner is reduced to the status of an animal as a symbol of showing authority and dominance.

1.1.2. Class II zoosexuals: romantic zoophiles

Would keep an animal as a pet in order to get a psychosexual stimulation. Would not actually indulge in sex with the animals. Ebing’s zoophilia erotica fetischistica would fall under this class.

1.1.3. Class III zoosexuals: people having a zoophilic fantasy - zoophilic fantasizers

These people fantasize intercourse with animals, but do not indulge in actual intercourse. May masturbate in the presence of animals. Zoophilic voyeurism (also called mixoscopic zoophilia or faunoiphilia) and zoophilic exhibitionism would fall under this category.

1.1.4. Class IV zoosexuals: tactile zoophiles Interest in animals increases to the level of touching them.

These are the people, who get sexual excitement by touching, stroking or fondling an animal or their erotic parts, such as genitals or anal and perianal area. Some would rub their genitals against animals, as a source of pleasure (zoophilic frotteurism).

1.1.5. Class V zoosexuals: people having a fetishistic zoophilia e fetishistic zoophiles

People belonging to this class may be called animal fetishists.

They preserve parts of animals, especially furs and use this as a fetish for their zoophilic activities. The touch of soft and silky fur of animals may act as an erotic stimulus, just as ordinary fur does for a fetishist. Other common fetish objects such as shoes would not sexually stimulate this group. The fetish object must be part of an animal. Randall and associates12 narrate an interesting case, where the tongue of a deer was used as a masturbatory tool.

1.1.6. Class VI zoosexuals: sadistic Bestials

Sexual pleasure comes from sadistic activities with an animal, such as torturing it (zoosadism, zoophilic sadism or bestialsadism).

People up to this class, use animals for sexual excitement, without actually engaging in intercourse with them. Bartmann and Wohlsein13 describe traumatic injuries in 193 horses over a four year period, out of which at least ten cases were due to acts of zoophilism and zoosadism. The injuries were caused by gunshots, or by spear like instruments or knives. Only seven could be saved by surgical or medical treatment. Wochner and Klosinski8 studied 1502 aggressive children and adolescents who had been presented and treated at the Department of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry at the University of Tübingen, and found that out of them 25 had been zoosadists. These were exclusively boys (23 out of 25). The age distribution of the zoosadists showed an increased incidence in 13, 17 and 18 year olds which could be connected with problems of puberty, group constraints and proving virility. Compared with a control group of “only aggressive” patients, organic brain damage owing to complications of pregnancy or delivery, difficult and harsh upbringing by the parents and absence of a positive father figure could be demonstrated in the zoosadists. One third of the zoosadists showed additional disorders of sexual behavior and the sexualsadistic component was manifested in the zoosadistic action.

1.1.7. Class VII zoosexuals: Opportunistic zoosexuals

Actual sexual activity with animals starts from this class. Normally these zoosexuals would be content to have sexual intercourse with the living[humans], but if an opportunity arose, would not refrain from having sexual intercourse with animals. Such activity may be seen in incarcerated or stranded persons, or when the individual sees an opportunity to have sex with an animal with no one around (e.g. a shepherd taking cattle away for grazing on a lonely farmland). Attendants of animal houses also belong to this class. People belonging to this class do not love animals at an emotional level.

1.1.8. Class VIII zoosexuals: regular zoosexuals

The so-called “classic” zoophiles. They do not enjoy sexual intercourse with humans and prefer animals for intercourse. They can however have sex with both humans and animals. In this sense they differ from class X zoophiles, who can have sex only with animals. This class has subclasses including activities such as fellatio, cunnilingus, masturbation of animals and anal intercourse with animals. These are the people, who love animals at an emotional level, and express their love through sexual intercourse.

They have sex with animals, as one would normally have with human partners. These people tend to love animals, and by and large do not hurt or harm animals.

A subclass exists within this class, which may be called “regular zoophilia by proxy”. In this case, the person e instead of himself having sexual intercourse with an animal - may force his or her partner to have a sexual act with an animal. This happened in R v Bourne (1952) 36 Cr App R 125 (CCA), in which the husband forced his wife to submit to a dog inserting its penis into her vagina. The husband was convicted of aiding and abetting his wife to commit buggery and sentenced to eight years in prison. The wife was not punished, since she acted under duress. In R v. Tierney (1990) 12 Cr. App. R.(S) 216, the defendant took photographs of his wife having intercourse with his Alsatian dog for his own continuing satisfaction.

In this case, three months’ imprisonment was given to the accused, but not to his wife, because she consented to perform the act in desperation in order to retain her husband’s affections.

1.1.9. Class IX zoosexuals: homicidal bestials

These zoophiles need to kill an animal in order to have intercourse with it (necrozoophilics). They are however capable of having sexual intercourse with living animals, but the need for sexual intercourse with the dead animals is so great that they must kill animals in order to have sexual intercourse with their dead bodies.

The noted killer Jeffrey Dahmer (1960e1994) is reported to have collected animal carrion from road, dissected them and masturbating, as he found the glistening viscera of animals sexually arousing.14 In November 2006, Bryan James Hathaway, 20, of Douglas County, Minnesota was arrested for having sex with a deer carcass he found on the side of the road while bicycling. He was charged with violating a law against “sexual gratification with an animal.” He was placed on probation, and was also sentenced to be evaluated as a sex offender and treated at the Institute for Psychological and Sexual Health in Duluth.

1.1.10. Class X zoosexuals: exclusive zoosexuals

Sexual intercourse is possible only or mostly with animals, with virtually a complete exclusion of human partners. This group has been called zooerasts by some writers.

[Source Abstract]

caikgoch 3 points on 2017-09-25 22:30:13

It's interesting that they seem to have ordered the classes by lack of sexual interest in humans with no regard at all for violence or empathy.

From the abstract:

This classification has an intuitive appeal, as it grades all shades of zoophilia from the least innocuous behavior to the most criminal.

So being Exclusive is more criminal than being Jeffrey Dahmer?????????????????????

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-09-25 22:59:36

From the abstract:

This classification has an intuitive appeal, as it grades all shades of zoophilia from the least innocuous behavior to the most criminal.

So being Exclusive is more criminal than being Jeffrey Dahmer?????????????????????

I think that line in the abstract is inaccurate, frankly. Like you said, it presents more of a sexual spectrum than a criminal one. Note that VIII clearly states that there is sexual activity generally without harm, as well as VII to an extent, while VI denotes actual torture. While there is a trend of escalation with the violent ones, there are ultimately only... two of them in this system. I suppose it really depends on their metric for zoophilia as a criminally relevant trait, though.

30-30 amator equae 2 points on 2017-09-25 23:04:04

No need to discuss further, AB, this list was never accepted by scientists on a larger scale.

Rannoch2012 Deer Zoo 1 point on 2017-09-26 02:13:50

It is however on a .gov website, one might note.

EDIT: After firing my vpn up, it appears only to be a US goverment document library, so that means nothing.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 2 points on 2017-09-26 11:25:13

NCBI is a public database for studies, academic papers, and journals, so there is a bit of weight. Not too much, but there is.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 4 points on 2017-09-26 02:18:15

I don't care to reply to this really, but... even if this was true, what does it matter? You can discuss anything regardless of its validity, and even solutions and information that is objectively wrong can help improve our understanding of the facts.

caikgoch 1 point on 2017-09-26 00:27:52

I have done some reading on this guy and he is fucking dangerous. He suggests "actuarial methods" for determining the threat represented by individuals and the need for further incarceration.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-09-26 00:42:53

Considering where he lives, I'm honestly not surprised. You wouldn't be able to tell by this paper, so at least he's good at keeping it out of his other work.

Swibblestein 4 points on 2017-09-25 23:12:01

Also note that

These people tend to love animals, and by and large do not hurt or harm animals.

Is class VIII, two stages worse than

Sexual pleasure comes from sadistic activities with an animal, such as torturing it

Personally I would put torturing an animal at the very most extreme end - even above killing the animal, personally. I think torture is more morally repugnant than murder. But even if you disagree about that, you'd think that we'd at least be able to agree that torture is worse than not-torture.

I feel like the person who wrote this probably wrote that line without thinking much about it just as an excuse to make their paper seem more significant than it is.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 3 points on 2017-09-25 23:40:55

It's important to note that this paper was written with a legal context in mind, ergo certain things that seem worse morally won't always stack up as expected.

Swibblestein 3 points on 2017-09-26 01:11:24

For the record, I do think it's an interesting classification system. Not great, mind you - it combines some thing that really ought not be combined, while at the same time missing some possible categories - but it's better than a lot of similar attempts I've seen, if nothing else, and does have some relatively nice portions.

I'm glad you shared it.

Rannoch2012 Deer Zoo 2 points on 2017-09-26 02:12:51

Yep, all sorts of twisted morallity in there, but nice to see them at least take a stab at figuring us out, even if it's fucked up entirely.

30-30 amator equae 2 points on 2017-09-25 22:59:34

The original classification was written by Anil Aggrawal and is, as most other "scientific classifications", largely dependent on the data gathered by talking to "real zoophiles" online and thus may be heavily biased. Filing the "zoo voyeurs" under regular zoophiles surely is debatable at minimum, if not outright to be condemned because the animal in "zoo voyeur" constellations is mostly viewed as a tool, a means for personal satisfaction rather than equal partner.

Such a huge inconsistency within only one paragraph should give quite a hint on how accurate this (btw, pretty old) list of different "zoosexual" types is....and not to mention my criticism of the term "zoosexual" that also includes the sadists.

What also jumps at the reader is the fact that only one third of the list of "zoosexuals" actually engages in sex with animals... Also remarkable: the "homicidal bestials"....if they feel the urge to kill an animal to get their kicks, shouldn´t it be "zoocidal bestials" instead? For a scientist, this is rather sloppy work...also funny how these sadists are labeled zoophiles.... and finally , "zooerasty" as a synonym for zoophilia also doesn´t fit at all. To my knowledge, "zooerasty" never was in use as implied by Aggrawal , it was a synonym for bestiality. To zoon = animal, hae eraste = primarily SEXUAL love, desire , physical attraction. The word derives from Eros, not Agape. Too many mistakes that could have been easily avoided , all the material is out there, Mr Aggrawal. ;)

Several lists like this one above have been made, yet none of them could settle the debates in our community. This one above discredits itself by all the points I wrote down...and that was just a quick browsing through this nonsensical attempt to label and merge things that have nothing in common under the "zoosexual" label. Also, where are this sub´s SJWs? This list definitely has the smell of a "from weakest to strongest" list...oooh, and lookie, lookie who is mentioned last....;)

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 4 points on 2017-09-25 23:30:44
  1. This was written by Aggrawal.

  2. This was published in 2011, so not terribly long ago.

  3. The architecture for these classifications weren't based on interviews with zoophiles at all, it was designed based on a classification system that described necrophiles that is also fairly recent and created useful, legally relevant strata. That papers abstract can be found here.

  4. The sources used also do not rely on zoophile testimony predominantly.

  5. The presence or lack of sexual contact doesn't really matter here. Remember that this was meant to be a legally relevant list first and foremost.

  6. It has 16 citations listed through the publisher's provided citation service, with as many as 30 publicly available citations outside of that. Given the relatively young age of the paper and the low frequency of academic discourse on the subject, that's far from having 'no acceptance on a larger scale', especially as this is more relevant to law. Also of note, it has about twice as many citations as the paper it's based on.

  7. Actually reading the abstract helps.

Rannoch2012 Deer Zoo 1 point on 2017-09-26 02:16:27

You have to remember, the only "real zoophiles" in 30-30's eyes are actually the vast minority of those using the label. Reverse intuitive I know, because it honestly doesn't make sense. No need to "adjust your reality" there.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-09-26 02:22:11

Oh yeah, hard to forget. His motivation here is pretty clear, but shooting him down based on his agenda makes me no better than him. More meaningful to drop facts on him.

Rannoch2012 Deer Zoo 2 points on 2017-09-26 02:24:46

When I had the time to properly "butt heads" with him I found it far more effective to attack his premises than refute every point. Keeps it short and simple and less drama all around. Of course, he will subsequently accuse you of not reading his posts, but you can't win some battles.

Enough of that for now, anyhow.

the_egoldstein 1 point on 2017-09-27 01:35:49

As someone else who's done that with him, did it have any lasting effect? He always just ignored me and proceeded to beatup whatever strawman he could prop up and put my name to.

Rannoch2012 Deer Zoo 1 point on 2017-09-27 04:58:31

To the audience that may listen to him I think it lessens his credibility, yes... but who knows honestly...

Tastypaws Taken by Toby! 4 points on 2017-09-25 23:15:31

Guess I'm a class X then.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 14 points on 2017-09-25 23:38:10

The X-Philes.

SCP_2547 1 point on 2017-09-26 07:09:41

And according to this shitty list, you don't have romantic feelings for animals, then.
Having seen this before I thought it was already posted here and that everyone already
knew it was BS.

mttcisc crocodiles are beautiful 3 points on 2017-09-26 09:37:01

And according to this shitty list, you don't have romantic feelings for animals, then.

No, it's undefined.

This fragment is more problematic:

1.1.8. Class VIII zoosexuals: regular zoosexuals

The so-called “classic” zoophiles. They do not enjoy sexual intercourse with humans

So you can not prefer other animals and still enjoy that with humans? What? EDIT: Considering what this list is for, not being listed is a good thing.

Tastypaws Taken by Toby! 1 point on 2017-09-26 11:25:22

More along the lines of being exclusive, obviously I love my mate with all my heart. I do agree that this is a horrible list.

HBOTB2 Horse and Hoof 1 point on 2017-09-25 23:18:18

I'm Class X and proud of it!

Darkspirit5 2 points on 2017-09-26 00:07:14

Please excuse my language, but is there a class for not giving a fuck about all the other classes?

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 2 points on 2017-09-26 00:08:57

Technically all ten can be that, since it really isn't controlled for in this list.

Kynophile Dog lover 2 points on 2017-09-26 01:33:09

My response to learning that someone belongs to each class:

I: Oh, awesome! What kind of gear do you use? What's headspace like for you?

II: I'm glad you're so close to your partner.

III: OK... um... I don't have any pics, sorry...

IV: What are you, like, twelve? Just make sure you know what you're doing, OK?

V: Kinda weird, but OK then. Maybe you're just a furry?

VI: Jesus Christ, get some help.

VII: Dude, you're just horny. Cut it out, will you?

VIII: Sweet, me too!

IX: WHAT THE FUCK! tries to find any info possible for police

X: OK, cool. I hope you and your partner are happy together!

FoxYiff 1 point on 2017-09-26 05:35:06

I guess I'm closest to VII?

rottingfox 1 point on 2017-09-26 13:34:26

didn't realize there were enough people killing animals to justify having their own minority. kind of a downer.

AmoreBestia Pro-zoophile, non-zoophile. 1 point on 2017-09-26 13:38:35

Well, this is a paper that aimed to create legally relevant strata first and foremost, so zoosadists were a necessary inclusion.

rottingfox 1 point on 2017-09-26 13:50:00

yeah, you right. just wasn't expecting that. thanks for the read though.

Andrew-R 1 point on 2017-09-27 14:55:08

hm, after diagonal reading of this list I get it like 'anything sexual is such tragedy/crime!' ...May be it was to be expected in kind of society we live in (at least formally). But then ..why it should be this way forever? I mean, why sexual excitement can't be used as simply way to increase one's sensitivity, so it will be less about 'acting impulsively and blingly', but about acting lovingly (not necessary in stereotyped by our society 'sexual' ways'. Like, you pet your dog, for him it translates into growing and classicaly peaking sexual pleasure..even if you don't touch areas considered sexual! This in turn translates into some echoing sensation of same kind in you..thus, even if formal sexual intercourse occured - both partners got it o.o! Something along the lines to 'train yourself for getting more from less'...with imagination as way of simulating various situations, and finding decent ways out of them before something like this occur IRL... May be this way humans can live with this difference between more constant/frequent erotical currents in us, compared to more seasonal beings ... Also, when it comes to male humans - don't put down masturbation, because it sounds ..dirty ? There are definitely way to make it..differently from stereotypical imagination associated with this word. It can be extremely calm, and basically unobservable, at least by human observers.)

In my searches for unusual way about thinking/doing sex I found this (not new for most of readers, I assume ...but for me it was interesting and new):

http://www.luckymojo.com/tkbiologicalbasis.html