I hate being a zoophile. (self.zoophilia)
submitted 2017-09-26 08:45:50 by Ymbal
I hate feeling like my values as an animal lover and my sexuality are at odds with each other. I hate this feeling where I either capitulate on my morals or become consumed by sexual frustration and angst. How does anyone deal with this? I would give anything to not feel like this anymore. I hate feeling like I'm going to be ashamed and in the closet and monsterous for the rest of my life. Has anyone ever found a way to at least decrease their sexual feelings?
Well, not really. At least I don't know any acceptable and useful way. You have two options: try to ignore them and persuade yourself that you will never act in that way (painful, but if you really want... possible), and the second one: Rethink your morality. Seriously, ancient Romans thought having slaves is fine, morality is not something constant therefore it can be illogical. You just need to think about it, that's all. Except you are religious and your religion demonize us... This scenario is the hardest, but hey! It was mine and I'm fine :)
To understand your internal conflict, we'd need to know more specifically what moral framework you're working with and how it relates to sex with animals. Some forms of morality are absolutely compatible with it, based on what information we have on the subject (Peter Singer's utilitarianism, for example), while others are more stringent (Levitical law as divine command). Where do you get your morals?
I'm a vegan, animal welare is incredibly important to me, that's basically the moral framework I'm in.
You misunderstood the question, what makes something bad or good for you?
I don't see where animal welfare and zoophilia are incompatible.
So is Peter Singer. Philosophical inspiration for PETA. Read his article "Heavy Petting", in which questions the taboo because the harm of sex with animals isn't obvious.
That was an excellent philosophical reading thank you for suggesting it.
If you really loved animals that much you would at least have known that there's nothing wrong with zoophilia and it's acts revolving around it.
Or morals are complicated and are affected by many factors outside of a person's control.
If he's a sheep and can't apply logic to his morals then he's obviously a lost cause.
Well goodbye then OP, you can't be helped then.
This is not a simple issue. Don't pretend that because you figured it out it's going to be easy for everyone.
Also, please don't tell people "goodbye" on behalf of the sub like ever. Please.
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drama queen
and here I thought you had somewhere to be...
Oh, and police don't say "please."
German police does...maybe you Muricans should teach your cops some manners..;)
It IS a simple issue.
If you are a sheep and can't apply logic to your morals, then there's nothing left to do.
Tell me, what else is there to do? You rely on other's opinions OR your own feelings. Both of which aren't supported by facts and logic.
If OP is making such a big deal about it, they would at least spend time learning about all of this.
But no, apparently OP truly doesn't want to change.
Do you find the philosophy of "an eye for an eye" to be morally just?
Wasn't that obvious since I told you everything?
I'm someone who seeks revenge since forever.
Oh, but I can tell you're pulling something here.
Oh no no no, it's not morally just but it's not smart either.
We must simply all be pushovers and just suck it all up...
The fact that you do think it's justifiable is why I said it, of course. I can argue that your life experiences sculpted that philosophy and shifted your reasoning, perhaps to the point of twisting your logic on the matter beyond reason.
I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll try... something?
It's not just because of my life experiences, I think anyone should take revenge because it's better for you. Especially if it's hard for you to forgive others.
I don't even deny that not taking revenge is a better thing to do as it means less harm, but sometimes it IS the better thing to do.
Who knows, maybe the one who started it needed a slap and will stop harassing others because of it? And like I just said, the real victim can now live with themself.
If it was a simple issue, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Did you read my comments?
OP is overreacting, being stubborn and not making much sense.
We both know the facts about consent ourselves and if OP wants to deny it then it really is their problem. They're the one making it complicated.
Animal biology and behavioral science is not something one just "knows" and it is indeed a complicated thing many people may not inherently know.
If you care to debate that point, you're going to have to do it one sided because I'm not in the mood.
I would say you have two realistic options. The second being a result from a "failure" of the first one.
You could look into your moral framework rationally and reevaluate what or if even the two values necessarily clash with each other. If you arrive at the conclusion that sex with animals, or more specifically the animal species you are attracted to, is inherently immoral and, as such, wrong, move on to option 2.
Rewiring your sexuality isn't really something that can be done successfully, especially not without probably causing you more distress than your current situation. Thus, you would have to accept not being able to be sexual with an animal, but that leaves you with the same options to relieve your sexual urges as people who for whatever reasons can't pursue sexual contact with their "object" of desire.
Yeah, not being normal sucks. It complicates life a little too much. But ooooooooooh well.
proceeds to fantasize about a horse's butt
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Retarget them a bit? I mean, when you feel this way, don't make it frustration, make it...something else, think out some of your favourite problems , if you already live with some another being - do some more for him/her (if s/he not sleeping yet). Some comments below indicate utilitarism..well, anthropocentered utilitarism not interesting. Try to be useful for non-human(s) themselves. May be this way one can link sense of sexual excitement with act of doing something actually good for others ....